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      02-06-2012, 12:44 PM   #582
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Originally Posted by LeMansM5 View Post
Didn't 1M beat E60 M5 and M3 in Autobild's Ultimate M track Day? E60 M5 was last behind even X5 M.
Autobild Shootout ----- Sachsenring lap time
BMW M3 CRT-----------1:38.87
BMW F10 M5-----------1:38.90
BMW 1M Coupe---------1:40.18
BMW M3 Coupe DCT----1:40.52
BMW M3 Sedan DCT----1:40.60
BMW M3 Convertible DCT-1:42.63
BMW X6 M -------------1:43.67
BMW X5 M--------------1:43.72
BMW E60 M5------------1:43.77
You are quoting tracks, here is a straight line test, at a rolling start to high speeds and RPM where the M5 really shines. I bet you the only way the 1///M distances itself from that M5 is if the E60 was on P400 mode (400hp) or something was seriously wrong with the car, or driver was sandbagging.

Originally Posted by ozinaldo View Post
I wouldn't doubt a second that especially at a rolling start 1M staying (slightly but clearly) ahead of E60 M5. The reason: serious weight difference coupled with same levels of torque (on paper, probably 1M has higher torque in stock as well, all the dynos reveal this) which is also available from very low down (opposite for the M5) and for a broad rev. range. I would really be surprised to see a stock E60 M5 catches the 1M before reaching really high speeds (over 160km.s/hour maybe even over 200kms.) so that the M5 can utilize the high power and better aerodynamics.

And I don't believe in "tooth ferries"! No such thing exist. Fairies on the other hand, maybe
Guys, I would love to believe our 1///M pulls out like that to an E60 M5 while rolling, but it is not happening. I can see how it is marginally faster to 60mph, but from a rolling start where you allow the E60 M5 to scream to its 8K redline, 1///M has no chance, let alone to absolutely obliterate the M5 as was shown here.

Need more convincing: take the law of transitivity. The E60 M60 pulls on the C63 every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. (stock to stock - there are a gazillion videos out there). M5 here is destroyed by the 1///M (it was not even close), yet the C63 beats the 1///M (as it should). So car A (M5) beats Car B (Merc), Car B beats Car C (1///M), yet car C beats Car A???

Sit behind the wheel of an E60 M5 and see for yourself what that car can do at high speeds from a rolling start (which this test was all about). It is not a contest. Track, 0-60 is a different animal where the 1///M will outshine, but here, sorry but FAIL.
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