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Originally Posted by See5
The 8HP ZF may not be a manual but its far from shitty...
Anyway, the last car with a manual will most likely be the Miata. Should be an extremely hot seller in about 10 years. lol
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zzzzzzz. have driven many cars now with the ZF 8 speed and found them all to be gussied up descendants of the old torque converter auto gearbox. hate it.
i'm a manual person through and through BUT give me a Dual Clutch gearbox ANY day of the week over these dull ZF gearboxes. The only reason ZF gearboxes have taken off is because they are significantly cheaper to manufacture and require minimal integration into a car compared to the sensitive dual clutch gearboxes which are significantly more expensive, more intensive to calibrate with different cars, and require more maintenance followed by customer complaints.
at the end of the day these are just ordinary torque converter automatic gearboxes with fancy software to make them 'fast'. doesn't change how bad they feel to drive, IMO.
LONG LIVE the Miata!! glad it's still simple and fun.
