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05-15-2019, 12:44 AM | #1 |
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Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Have been watching videos of the 1M, M2 and M2C, Honda S2000, and the Mark lV Supra, and they remind me of how much I truly miss a manual transmission. Recently tried a VW GTI with a manual and it did not work (at all) for me. Tough for a car enthusiast who grew up on manuals. Oh well, it could be worse, at least I get to keep driving. |
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05-15-2019, 07:04 AM | #2 |
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I definitely miss a manual too. I guess I could have bought used when I got my 1. But I wanted my first upscale car to be a special experience after years of econoboxes; with the exception being my 94 Z28 bought used. So I ended up with a DCT as that was the last new black 135i in the area.
I guess I get some of the manual effect with my two sport bikes. But the funny thing is I just got back from 4 days at the track with California Superbike School running around on their BMW S1000RRs. I'm starting to get a hankering to get into one of these RRs with one of the reasons being the clutchless upshift/downshift feature. On the topic of transmissions, my recently acquired daily driver has a CVT. Makes me wish for an automatic with actual gears. |
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05-15-2019, 07:51 AM | #3 |
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I had a 2011 1er loaded with Steptronic that Mrs Tux approved. The kids would be driving soon and she didn't think anyone would drive it if it was a manual. Fast forward 4yrs no one likes driving my car. Sold it and found a 09' 1er manual cause damn, I missed a manual. Best car I've ever owned too.
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05-15-2019, 08:22 AM | #6 |
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Perhaps the right move with Toyota. I had a 2018 Tacoma automatic (a regular auto) and the shifting logic was absolutely insane. For me, it was borderline undriveable and got far worse after the test drive as it "learned" over time. It drove me crazy enough that I sold it after a year. I'll never own a Toyota product again. I went on a test drive with a friend looking at RAV4s last week and it was the same shit. He put his foot in one spot and it upshifted, downshifted, then upshifted twice in the space of 5 seconds. You are likely better off with the CVT in a modern Toyota.
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05-15-2019, 08:39 AM | #7 |
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Sorry to hear about your accident, Esteban. I’m glad the 1ers at least have the DCT option for you.
I agree about manuals. Even though I bought my first manual as a teen, I still drive around practicing my heel/toe shifting all the time...even when pulling into the grocery store parking lot. lol Outside of a health issue, I plan on sticking with a manual for the long haul. |
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Toyota put out a hybrid trans for the 2019 Corolla hatch back. It has an actual 1st gear used as a launch gear which afterwards the CVT would take over. |
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05-15-2019, 09:06 AM | #9 |
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Sorry to hear about your accident, Esteban. Maybe one day I will give up on manuals, but I learned to drive in one many moons ago, and I've always had a manual in the garage to keep my skills sharp, and deliver the satisfaction that comes from a series of well executed heel and toe downshifts. Flicking a paddle isn't the same, because there's no challenge to it. For several years, I commuted in a 2009 Prius, and it was not fun. The only joy there was in looking at the mileage readout, and marveling at how little gas I was using. The CVT in that car was nasty, but I get that it's the best way to incorporate hybrid power. I told my friends that a Prius is like an appliance that gets you places. The general move to CVTs in the industry is depressing.
As to zx10guy's comment about clutchless shift assistance, at least you have the option to shift like any other bike, so you can have your cake and eat it, too. |
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With the clutchless shifting I mentioned of the RR, it's really really good. It's not an automatic and can't be viewed that way compared to a DCT. You still have to manually change gears. But with how refined the system is from BMW, it's just a dream to use. You don't have to be hard on the gas to upshift. As long as you apply some throttle, you can click the trans up to the next gear. Same applies to down shifting. Get off the throttle completely, and then push down on the shifter. Bam into the next lower gear. Syncing of the rear wheel speed with engine RPMs isn't much of a concern either with the slipper clutch. With how fast the system works in changing gears without a clutch, I don't know why anyone would ever touch the clutch lever. |
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05-15-2019, 10:35 AM | #12 |
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I regret getting a DCT too.
At the time I was commuting 80+ miles a day in stop and go traffic in a manual GTI, so I thought DCT would've been a good idea. 3 months after getting the 135i, I ended up switching job sites to one that was 5 miles away, and now my grad program is only 3 miles away lol. Oh well. |
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05-15-2019, 11:19 AM | #13 |
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Went nearly 12 years w/o a manual. So glad I have one now.
Had knee replacement along the way and used getting back into the E88 as rehab motivation. Worked for me. Drove a combine in the 70's that had a 'CVT'. Worked great in the field, not so great on the road. Last edited by blue135; 05-15-2019 at 11:20 AM.. Reason: add line |
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05-15-2019, 01:02 PM | #14 |
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I would really miss life without a manual. I've never owned anything but manual cars and plan to drive at least one until I'm dead. I have one of the few 92 Explorer 4X4s that came with a manual and that clutch is a beast. It's gotten to the point where it makes my knee sore after a day of driving it. Fortunately everything else I drive has a much lighter clutch.
The wife recently bought a Civic Sport with a CVT and for leisurely driving it's tolerable. It's awful if you accelerate hard and there is an extremely frustrating delay when you lift off throttle and apply gas again. It's only saving grace is "Sport" mode where you can select 7 simulated gears. I hate CVTs! |
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I felt this until I tuned my 6AT. Not sure what options (if any) there are for DCT cars but it really changed the whole driving behavior for me. I miss manual but I'm not mad/upset that I got 6AT now. Stage 3 XHP tune a couple months after picking up my car and I've never go back to stock tune
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05-15-2019, 03:07 PM | #17 |
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I commuted with a MT in pretty heavy traffic for 20+ years. Still have that car so I get to shift when I want. Got the E82 in AT for a couple of reasons. One - it met all my other criteria. Another reason is similar to Esteban (much less severe an incident) but made the clutch difficult to deal with all the same. Plus I got older and lazier.
Have to add the MT with paddles isn't too bad as it will hold a gear in sport mode for cornering.
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