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i read on possible throttle and lag issues, but drove it last night, no lag that i noticed and a friend drove it too, no lag that he noticed. theres nothing to feel extra from a dig and down low but as you ramp up rpms and speed you can DEFINITELY tell the new FMIC at work. i do have a few bolt ons and a tune also, anxiously waiting for COBB to release the stage 1 plus map to make use of the FMIC
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i had the DPs in my hand but went against the idea of bad gas smell and error codes and my exhaust being even louder, the meisterschaft is thunderous as it already, you're right the n55 mids help with all that already
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In the mean time, we'll keep innovating, like using the bull-nosed bars, both on the face and in the core to optimize flow and reduce pressure drop. We can also thermal coat the coolers. There's a GB going on at E90post for those in the market. |
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Really, you're going to throw the made in Germany card out with the pictures you posted? Lets face it the Wagner is a cheap unfinished bootleg copy of the Helix. It has 2 cores welded together to create the stepped section, is not finished from a manufacturing standpoint ie unground turbulent ledges in the inlet and outlet, is cheaply painted to cover up awful welds and to skip the final finish/polishing steps, has multiple different cores(i have personally seen an array of different fin densities and core types) with NO R&D or datalogs to back(ANY or ALL of) them up(and yes those are cheap chinese cores-one look at the cheapest ebay intercoolers tells that tale). Just to let you know I have a US patent pending for the stepped core concept/multidimensional heat exchangers dating back to my original engineering drawings in 2007 and its GREAT to know that Wagner has a US branch/distributor thanks for bringing this to my attention!
What no Die Grinders in Germany? 2 cores welded together! Bad puddled TIG welds and COVERUP PAINT! Quotes taken from a Wagner customer GI Joe: "Unfortunately the peeling paint is visible, which is why it is bothering me. I think that any painted/colored FMIC would have that problem though" "I have tube and fin, and the quality isn't exactly stellar, but it's ok." Stellar is not a word one would use to describe this! Since you can get the same core on a $59(not a typo) Ebay intercooler! http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-FR...#ht_3857wt_911 Helix- Quality welds and high polished finish! Single custom core with rounded face and charge tube bars! High Density Staggered offset fin core that we chose after testing (yes we actually do R&D and original engineeering) several different variations! And lastly a Datalog of a 2-3-4 gear run with AIT suppression that is the BEST of any N54/N55 intercooler and tested up to 627hp It should be pretty obvious why there is a price difference and the Helix price starts at $799, and their is no cutting on 335i and an extremely minor amount of trimming up near the ait sensor on the 135! Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 03-27-2012 at 08:58 PM.. |
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this is EXACTLY why i wouldnt buy from helix, you guys do nothing but bark like vile animals on the forums, imho that alone gives a bad rep to your company. your facts are wrong: you said wagner's FMIC were tube and fin and yet they have them bar and plate...and last i checked it is not a crime to buy a product sold and shipped from germany. i will ask you to respectfuly GTFO out this thread and rage your war with wagner somewhere else more appropriate. |
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should i go in your GB thread and post links to wagner's german website and tell people to buy from there? you guys have rights sure, you need to protect your intellectual properties sure but why hasn't that already been done? i was in the market for an intercooler that would require zero cutting trimming and yours just did not fit that requirement; afaik only wagner and ETS did. your vociferations did the opposite of attracting new potential customers, if anything rethink your PR strategies... |
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If you what to gain 1M customers I'd suggest you do two things: First, respond to the market by creating a design that requires no cutting, like the competition. Second, point to data to prove your product's superior performance. Talking down build quality is distasteful and a side argument. If your product has superior performance I'd listen to data, not unsupported claims, and you have no data showing that it is. I suggest this will be more effective and less off-putting than following the competition around the forums and putting them down. I'm in the market, fyi, but I wouldn't consider your product unless the issues above are addressed.
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I don't like mad dog either. lol but they have a good nose. they can find all the thread talk about Wagner intercooler. lol
this thread just the member trying to share the experience about the product. nothing wrong with it. get out of here helix.
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