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[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by AndyW

Yes! Those are my fronts. My rears are Stoptech ST40 345x28's. Pretty sure those will fit regardless, but can you confirm those also? Document number for the fitment template for those is 98-165-24F1-00. Thx!

I just got the clearance data back from our engineers. These wheels clear both brake kits without any issues. Technically you would need a 2-3mm spacer for brake clearance up front, but you will be running a 12mm spacer at minimum to clear the struts so that shouldn't be a problem. No spacers are required in the rear.

-Tom

[AndyW]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts

I just got the clearance data back from our engineers. These wheels clear both brake kits without any issues. Technically you would need a 2-3mm spacer for brake clearance up front, but you will be running a 12mm spacer at minimum to clear the struts so that shouldn't be a problem. No spacers are required in the rear.

-Tom

Thx, Tom!

[vincent860906]

Will it fit with just Bilstein B8 struts and not coilovers?
Currently, my car has M3 lower control arms and Dinan camber plate and is cambered at around -2.5° with B8 struts and I believe stock springs.
I don't mind going with 245 just to make it fit.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by vincent860906

Will it fit with just Bilstein B8 struts and not coilovers?
Currently, my car has M3 lower control arms and Dinan camber plate and is cambered at around -2.5° with B8 struts and I believe stock springs.
I don't mind going with 245 just to make it fit.

This fitment unfortunately is not ideal to use with your current setup. The Bilstein B8 struts with OEM springs will have the same profile and clearance as the factory suspension. We strongly recommend running motorsport oriented coil-overs that improve inner clearance in order to utilize all available space under the fender. It is likely possible to just use a larger spacer however, especially if running a 245 width tire.

The larger spacer will require additional camber unfortunately, to avoid any issues with rub occurring on the fender side. As mentioned in the article above, camber gained via M3 control arms will not help as you are only moving the bottom portion of the tire/wheel out rather than moving the top of the tire inward away from the fender. The camber gained via the Dinan plates is unfortunately no adequate to prevent fender rub. We recommend running -3 to -4 degrees of camber when used with a 12mm - 18mm spacer.

If you are looking to run this fitment, we strongly recommend adding adjustable camber plates as well as a coil-over kit with a slim profile.

-Ian

[vincent860906]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts

This fitment unfortunately is not ideal to use with your current setup. The Bilstein B8 struts with OEM springs will have the same profile and clearance as the factory suspension. We strongly recommend running motorsport oriented coil-overs that improve inner clearance in order to utilize all available space under the fender. It is likely possible to just use a larger spacer however, especially if running a 245 width tire.

The larger spacer will require additional camber unfortunately, to avoid any issues with rub occurring on the fender side. As mentioned in the article above, camber gained via M3 control arms will not help as you are only moving the bottom portion of the tire/wheel out rather than moving the top of the tire inward away from the fender. The camber gained via the Dinan plates is unfortunately no adequate to prevent fender rub. We recommend running -3 to -4 degrees of camber when used with a 12mm - 18mm spacer.

If you are looking to run this fitment, we strongly recommend adding adjustable camber plates as well as a coil-over kit with a slim profile.

-Ian

Dam that's unfortunate thank you for answering!

I noticed you said this wouldn't be a limited production so I assume you guys would be listing this spec (17x9j et52) on your website for purchase.
So I'm wondering if it's possible to run a different wheel spec in the front while running the 17x9 et52 in the back. I know that wouldn't eliminate the availability to rotate the tires but I just want to know what wheels would you guys recommend for factory style suspension components now you guys have the new 17x9 et52.
(Hopefully still be able to have a square setup to combat the understeers)

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by vincent860906

Dam that's unfortunate thank you for answering!

I noticed you said this wouldn't be a limited production so I assume you guys would be listing this spec (17x9j et52) on your website for purchase.
So I'm wondering if it's possible to run a different wheel spec in the front while running the 17x9 et52 in the back. I know that wouldn't eliminate the availability to rotate the tires but I just want to know what wheels would you guys recommend for factory style suspension components now you guys have the new 17x9 et52.
(Hopefully still be able to have a square setup to combat the understeers)

We will be listing the 17x9" ET52 on the site for individual purchase once the group buy ends. You certainly could run that size in back, however up front in a 17", your best best would likely be the 17x8.5" ET40. With that wheel, you could fit a 235/40-17 or a 235/45-17. You would likely still need adjustable camber plates however, if looking to run a 245/40-17 up front. The camber gained from the Dinan plates likely isn't enough to avoid rubbing at the fender with a 245 width tire.

-Ian

[AndyW]

I signed up! Glad we met the minimum.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by AndyW

I signed up! Glad we met the minimum.

Thanks for pledging! Only one day left!

-Ian

[415]

Thank you!


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[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by 415

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Thank you!! Be sure to post some pics in the 1 series gallery thread once you have them on the car!

-Ian

[PcarDefector]

Is the group buy still on? where do you sign up?

[spidertri]

Unfortunately no, the group buy ended on July 27th.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by PcarDefector

Is the group buy still on? where do you sign up?

The Group Buy has ended already, but the wheels are available on our website if you are still looking for a set.

-Tom

[Phloozy]

Looks like it will take a bit more space and subsequently more wheel stud to fit the 245 Hoosiers up front here it is with 17.5mm of spacer just barely not fitting and a little wiggle room with a 22.5. Ordering a 20mm spacer to see how that works. I have 75mm apex studs . I was reading I shouldn't run 20mm spacers with the correct?

[ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by Phloozy

Looks like it will take a bit more space and subsequently more wheel stud to fit the 245 Hoosiers up front here it is with 17.5mm of spacer just barely not fitting and a little wiggle room with a 22.5. Ordering a 20mm spacer to see how that works. I have 75mm apex studs . I was reading I shouldn't run 20mm spacers with the correct?

Apologies for the delayed reply, it looks like the notification email got lost. You are correct, for any spacer thicker than 12mm we recommend 90mm long studs.

-Tom

[maxslug]

What camber plates are people using with these to get to -3 / -4? I was having trouble getting to -3 with Vorschlag camber plates + MCS Coilovers + M3 LCAs. I may be limited because of ride height (have to be able to get it down the driveway and into the garage, without getting stuck!)

[AndyW]

Originally Posted by maxslug

What camber plates are people using with these to get to -3 / -4? I was having trouble getting to -3 with Vorschlag camber plates + MCS Coilovers + M3 LCAs. I may be limited because of ride height (have to be able to get it down the driveway and into the garage, without getting stuck!)

I get -3.2 on Clubsports (with Swift Springs) with GC plates. Also M3 CA's.

[AndyW]

They arrived and are installed! And they definitely clear the ST-60 and ST-40 BBK's. Not the best pic but I am really liking how these fit and look and the NT01's appear very aggressive, even compared to the RE-71R's. I like em so much I am keeping the Apex "free advertising" wheel caps on even though I normally only do BMW wheel caps. This was a killer deal on a great set of wheels. Appreciate Apex directly supporting our baby bimmer track cars. Can't wait to try it all out on the 18th!

For those wondering, it's 45# a corner. That's 5# lighter per wheel than my 18" stock wheels with Continentals and I imagine over 10# per wheel lighter than my type 135 wheels with Toyo R1R's (they are out of the house getting mounted and balanced right now, will weigh when I get them back). UPDATE. Confirmed. My type 135 track wheels and tires are 56# (!!). So I've now saved 44# of unsprung weight.

[houtan]

AndyW, looking good. What size tires did you end up going with and spacers?

[AndyW]

Originally Posted by houtan

AndyW, looking good. What size tires did you end up going with and spacers?

255/40/17 and 12mm. Wheels are 17x9 ET52 so net ET40 in front. These were offered as a package by Apex. My other wheels/tires combo I have been using for several years are 255/35/18 with a 10mm spacer. They are 18x8.5 ET50. so same net ET40 up front. They will now become my "wet day" wheels with Toyo R1Rs. These will be my "dry day" tires. There is a bit more room in the wheel well with these. My wife noted almost immediately that it will be easier to ratchet strap it down in the trailer due to the extra space above the tire... She is not a fan of ratcheting the car down.

[houtan]

Thanks Andy. Interesting there’s more space. I would think the diameter is similar. You think it’s the tire brand that is freeing up space?

So I have the. 18 x 8.5 et45 arc 8s. Currently on what many would call dragster skinnies at 235/40s. Based on your now wet set up, I can run a 255/35 on an 8.5” wheel, and with a 5mm spacer, get to et40 to make it all fit. Assuming I have similar clearance to my strut.

I just finished doing my home alignment last night that put me at 3.5 degrees camber, zero toe so I think the camber should be enough.

maxslug , I am running TC kline camber plates and their single action front struts. With a shaven down Komi adjuster to allow me to get the strut inward as far as possible and still allow adjustments, I can get to 3.5 degrees of camber. Also have m3 control arms.

[AndyW]

Originally Posted by houtan

Thanks Andy. Interesting there’s more space. I would think the diameter is similar. You think it’s the tire brand that is freeing up space?

Maybe. I'll let you know if it's an optical illusion or not when we put it in the trailer.

UPDATE: It must be the tire! Math says they are essentially identical, just as you said. https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc...5r18-255-40r17