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Chevy said the Camaro would do 8:20 around the 'Ring. It is a fact that the Mustang GT outhandles and is faster. Its not going to do slower than 8:20 2.) Who said it was a benchmark. The figure 8 is a track and a very decent one nonetheless. You said they aren't in the same ballpark. Why would a 2011 GT beat or match an M3 anywhere if they weren't on/near the same level. Please answer this. You should choose your words more carefully. So by your school of thought a Lotus Elise dosen't handle because it doesn't master the ring. Haha |
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05-06-2010, 09:35 PM | #508 |
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Once again, that does not say 2011 Ford Mustang GT. There is not any ring times for that car yet. I'll stick to my various tracks for now that prove it has matched the M3 or came very close.
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_numbers.html M/T Figure 8- BMW M3- 24.8 sec http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html These cars should not be close on any track/course whatsoever if they dont produce similar numbers. The fastest M3 to clear M/T's testing was 24.4sec and it was a DCT equipped car. I've not seen testing of the 6speed automatic and Ford does not offer a DCT in this car. It should be noted that the Mustang GT also beat the GT500KR(25.2sec) at the Figure 8 quite handily. The same GT500KR that finished next to the M3 and Virginia International Raceway. Ironically, the fastest car to go through the figure 8 was a 08 Porsche 911 GT2.
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Find some road course track numbers that are longer than an autocross course. Hell, at the Performance center on their 1.25 mile "autocross" track I posted times only 5sec off an E90M3 with Mike Rehner behind the wheel in my stock 2.3l 1988 M3. Are we saying that my 88M3 is in the E92M3 class? We have to get real world numbers from real world road course tracks if you want to compare what you are arguing, that the 2011 Mustang GT is as good a track car as the E92 M3. Its not and never will be. They are built for different disciplines. T |
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It has been proven that a 2011 Mustang GT lighter, faster, and more powerful than the 2011 Camaro SS. The Camaro posted 3:09sec around VIR. The M3 posted 3:05. The 2010 GT posted 3:13. and the GT500 posted 3:07. By looking at the results one can deduce the Mustang will be LESS than 4 seconds given its handling dwarfs the Camaro. The End. That puts its handling near the M3 on a road course. In fact, that even puts the Camaro SS in the same performance category! You can't argue that. Look how they are even grouped per CarandDriver. On another note the 315hp 2010 Mustang: "Particularly impressive was the Mustang’s poise through the esses, where it averaged 109.4 mph, outrunning its rock-star big brother, the Shelby GT500. Indeed, despite the Shelby’s 225-hp advantage, the off-the-rack Mustang GT unceremoniously laid the smackdown on the supercharged snake, turning quicker times through sectors one, two, and four." The all-new 2011 GT does not have the same weight issues the GT500 have. Ford disgustingly added over 400lbs of weight over the front axle of the car from the GT. Even the article noted that wasn't a step in the right direction but it still handled well enough and tamed its enormous power to finish next to the M3. It's not as balanced as the new GT. Thats the reason it lags behind in the figure 8 and will at the new VIR as well. It will no doubtly win every drag race past 100mph. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...3a07.4_page_12 Last edited by Spartikus; 05-07-2010 at 03:50 PM.. |
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Anyway, that will be the test. Although I will note having driven the grand course at VIR, sector 3 (which it doesn't turn a good time in) is very tight and not suited to either cars (M3 or GT). When is the GT testing going to happen? I guess we wait and see. By the way what is a Fanboy? I'm not a fan of the Mustang or a boy. Bench racing is fun. T |
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One more bench racing angle, the M3 is 4yrs old. I guess when the new M3 comes out (2013) and destroys the old 2011 GT at that time, then what?
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The 2011 GT500 lapped VIR NINE seconds faster than the 2010 GT500. 2:58.5. But, the 'go fast in a straight line only: chorus still sings their silly song.
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Wow. And I bet it will be priced very similar to M1.. 55k loaded
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Very impressive time for the GT500. Anyone know which tires were on this car? That lateral g-meter hit 1.1g in the first turn. Same as the ACR in the C&D test. Keep in mind it was also C&D editors at the wheel of the old GT500, not SVT engineers.
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Engineers were curious how much faster the latest iteration of Ford's ultimate Mustang is around VIR than the 2010 model. That's a good question, considering the 2011 model receives a number of upgrades (including the aforementioned performance package, which adds wider forged aluminum wheels, stickier rubber, a 3.73:1 drive ratio, stiffer springs, and revised aerodynamics) designed to help it move 'round a road course.
The result? An entertaining video, and a 2:58.5 lap time around the 4.1-mile track. In contrast, the 2010 GT 500 lapped VIR in 3:07.4, nine seconds slower. Seems like moving to an all-aluminum aluminum engine (which shed 102 pounds) and retuning the suspension did quite a bit of difference. KING COBRA indeed.
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