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Oh you can buy a new MX5 that is about 2,500lbs or if you need 4ish doors get an RX8 Sport, no sunroof and you are at 2,950lbs. For maxium tossability you'll need an elise and for even more but may not be street legal get a Ariel Atom.
If you want bass to the wall tossability and speed spend 10k and get a Hayabusa and blow everything off the road. |
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I guess I'm never going to win this argument seeing it's me against the whole forum... Sorry, I guess the idea of a 3000lb car with 300hp is just plain stupid and wouldn't be fun to drive at all :iono: |
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Wow, people are really getting worked up with this whole weight issue on this forum. All I know from my limited experience with different cars is that lighter cars are more tossable obviously and in general "more fun". My two current drive curb weights are roughly 2600lb (Integra) and 3200lb (328i) and that's a difference you can feel.
But the Integra is a '95 and cars today have more content, more safety equipment, and in general are built more solidly. That's what customers want and you pay the price, literally and in terms of weight. A 3000lb 128i would be ideal but if it's a couple hundred pounds more, I'll live with it knowing that it's a rock-solid BMW that will last for years. |
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The 128 might be even lighter then the 135.... I'll take mine with the sunroof delete option :wink: |
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Look, everyone brings up solid arguments/points. The fact of the matter is that this is the best we're gonna get, so we'll have to stick w/ the 3,250lb weight (which, IMO, is completely fine). All we can hope for, as greenie says, is a solid price to back this beast up. Hopefully, the 128i will start at about $27k, and the 135i around $32k. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Also, I read earlier that it was supposedly going to come out Late '07 for the U.S., but now it's Spring '08??
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I am actually more concerned with the lack of a second oil cooler in some E92 335i's (causing the limp mode glorified in the G37 vs. 335 article) and the N54 fuel pump problems than the overall weight.
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I feel like sometimes people get so caught up on statistics and figures, without pausing to experience the car. Using some of the thinking displayed here, I might completely write off the CL-S in your sig because it is no where near as light as the 87' Legend LS 5-speed (or first gen CL) my family had for many years. But in reality, having driven both cars, I would pick the heavier CL-S any day of the week. I say wait till someone ACTUALLY drives the car..... |
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MY dream....This is the IDEAL BMW for me...I dont care THAT much for luxury, just simple clean design. With Performance being a focal point, and BMWs are safe so its perfect....Who else is with me on this?
BTW the Press Videos on the Microsite are amazing...i keep watching that 2nd video...the car is gorgoeus and looks soooo much like the E46 facelifted coupe which i loved. IF priced right, this car will be a MAJOR hit among enthusiasts... Today i sat in a 335 with XEDE, and it gave me the chills, i can only have wet dreams of that engine in the 1...plus that exhaust note..I cant sleep tonight guys, this keeps going through my head... check the time.. |
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No doubt it takes precise and sophisticated engineering in conjunction with extensive computer simulation and real-world testing to produce a 3000+ lb car that handles as well as a 2400 lb one, all else being equal, as added mass imposes greater penalties out of the box. When limited money is spent on development, weight takes a greater toll. My first-gen Tiburon is quite agile at speed (until you get up to the cornering limit when FWD understeer kicks in), but the current Tib, which weighs about 500 lbs more, drives like a barge by comparison. Hyundai didn't invest the resources needed in the redesign to compensate properly for the extra weight by upping the sophistication of the design and suspension. However BMW has proved in the past that they can do some incredible work with moderately heavy cars - recent-gen M3s weren't exactly light. No, the 1 series coupe is probably not going to be quite as tossable as a Miata, but it should have other virtues to compensate.
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wow - There are more of us who don't sleep while thinking of twin turbos....we should start a support group.
Anyway, I DO agree with the "drives different than the numbers would lead to believe" stance. Go drive a 116 HP NA miata with it's 185 tires and tell me if it isn't one of the most fun cars ever. Doesn't look like much on paper, but it's a whole different world. Based on my 335 drive (auto - no sport) I really have no worries about the fun, tossible nature of 135, even in the 34-3500 lbs range. |
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this probably came up elsewhere but i've been looking and haven't found it so i'll just have to ask; what is the expected weight difference between the 128 and 135 models. the diff. between the 328 and 335 is about 220lbs. but i'm hoping that a 128 without sunroof and M sport package which may both be standard on the 135 could make that difference even more perhaps 300lbs or so??. certainly the 135 will still be way quicker but as a daily driver a 3000lb. 128 could fit my bill. thanks in advance to the weight gurus:smile:.
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yes, the 02 is light weight. yes it has good crumple zones. but other than that, and seat belt there is no other safety equipment, except its agility.
Now days, 3000 lbs is light for a car after all the safety equipment is added. Practically the only way to get them lighter is to cut stuff out, or make them out of lighter material, ie aluminum, carbon fiber, magnesium (all expensive currently). So BMW added HP and hopefully has it dialed in correctly to compensate for the weight gain. If you want it lighter, I'm sure a CF hood and trunk will be available (just paint it please). NOTE: Leftlanenews has this thread linked |
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