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this is a complete non issue. I don't see the hood coming up and defeating the hood latch mechanism. Keep in mind follks... it's a two part system for a REASON. The secondary catch is a required safety feature that prevents an improperly-closed hood from flying up against the windshield once a car gets underway and the rush of air builds to a point where it can lift steel (or aluminum as the case may be.) As a matter of fact... in a 2000 and up vehicle...I would bet you could pull the hood latch such that the hood is not locked, and the hood latch mechanism will still hold. I have seen cabbies drive cabs around in Big cities like New York every day with the hood popped for " additional cooling"... Sure they aren't driving speeds over 100 mph.. but they are hitting bumps, dips, dives etc.. I work as a claim adjuster auto in insurance claims. While I have seen claims reported where the hood " suddenly flew up".... I have not seen a hood fly up in 15 years of doing that didnt involve finding out that there were DAMAGED hood latch components (as in Damaged from a previous ACCIDENT.. not even wear or age..)... I have absolute faith that the hood safety latch mechanism will keep the hood from flying up completely WHEN A HOOD IS UNLATCHED.... let alone when it's actually fully latched. Disclaimer: I wouldnt drive 100 mph with it unlatched and banging off the safety catch of course... Bottom line is.. a slight hood lift doesnt mean we have gone back to 1976.... Sheesh! but for those of you that don't think there has been any innovation in this regard..... http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/3-series-...ood-latch.html perhaps we need to start handing out Darwin Awards for people on this forum... Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 04-15-2014 at 12:23 PM.. |
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No hood latch fail incidents with an E82 1er as far as I know.
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Perhaps the driver left the hood FULLY unlatched and it wasnt even on the safety catch. Heck... racers with hood pins have hood flyup incidents happen too. bottom line... it usually turns out there was HUMAN ERROR involved, not a fully functioning properly latched, undamaged hood and latch with safety catch. |
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Probably a better design that would make everyone happy
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28335 http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...ly-off.815201/ http://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generatio...speed-1048622/ http://forums.edmunds.com/discussion...-at-high-speed http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=62299 http://www.fnsweet.com/forums/forum/...d-lift-flutter Alert the Media, petition the NHTSA, call Ralph Nader!! This threat should not go unaddressed! Neil |
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http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/ I wonder if they levy fines against manufacturers that don't adhere to their laws? Things that make you go Hmmm... Asking a question is one thing. Yelling FIRE in a crowded theather is another. Agreeing to disagree is certainly fine... when there is an actual disagreement! There is no data to support this is a safety issue... it has been clearly explained why this is NOT a safety issue.. and yet you continue to call the issue of hood lift *AT EXCESSIVE SPEED* a " design flaw" and have made comments about " hood problems that can kill" etc. I have investigated many claims and reports of actual hood fly-up situations.. In those situations I talked to the vehicle owners, body shops, estimators, and of course I also researched the vehicle history. I will say it again... this is NOT an issue that occurs commonly.. and when it does occur... it is usually an issue of a vehicle with PREVIOUS COLLISION DAMAGE that is POORLY REPAIRED. Ask any body shop owner what the likelihood of a hood flying up when the hood is latched. Ask them how well it can fly up if on the safety catch. If you had actually done this a number of times and listened to the responses.... you would likely have a better understanding of where I am coming from. You are more likely to contract POLIO than you are likely to have a hood fly up while driving a car manufactured after 1990.. How about we AGREE to this..? Until you see ACTUAL issues of ACTUAL hood redeployment on a 1 series..... .. perhaps we should consider the issue of hood lift a phenomenon or known occurrence.. but not a " design flaw that is so scary that one shouldnt purchase the car or should fear for their lives if traveling behind it ". Or... how about you hop a ride in my car or mdorphns car and we'll take you for a ride and you can experience the hood lift in all it's glory for yourself. I personally have never noticed the hood lift.. if it's occuriing it sure isnt affecting the car as i drive.. ... and my car has been 150 plus more than a few times. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 04-15-2014 at 04:08 PM.. |
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Well, a way to get around it is ...uh... not driving the car. Then you're definitely 100% sure that it will not happen to you.
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Ok, I said that itīs a flaw, so? Iīm sorry for beeing critical, donīt remember beeing in M5īs and other high end cars where the hood is all over the place at high speeds. This is the first time I see this, so SORRY once again for asking and stating that itīs a "FLAW"! Some of you state that youīve never seen accidents caused by the hood on the 1M, so...let me put it this way. BMW made over 6000 1Mīs according to some sites, how many of them are actually members of this or any other forum, world wide? Im not saying that there have been accidents because I donīt know but what if? What about all the other billions and billions of cars World wide? Why is this such a sensitive topic for some of you? What kind of logic is it to think that just because it doesnt happen to you, it sure as hell doesnt happen to anyone else? It seems like this isnīt the right forum to ask questions or criticize BMW for that matter, despite actually owning them. Lesson learned! Im going to drive one in about two weeks, time to see this hood thing front row and hopefully make up my mind about it. |
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Just for the record: back in 2012 BMW M officially confirmed via its website that 6309 1M cars were built:
http://www.m-power.com/_open/b/edito...lang=en&x=2869
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So when is someone going to post prof of actual manufacturing defect and failure vs all the speculating on temporary cosmetic conditions being observed and factually incomplete assumptions?
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Hood lift isn't a flaw, its a built in 'cold-air induction' system. Seriously!
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Once they found this out they, said this was the reason for the panel gaps around the headlights and fenders etc... I had my bodyshop take the fenders off etc and re allign which has made a difference. Im not of the opinion that the hood will pop up at speed but the front end is not aerodynamic and the air has to go somewhere... cheers Jamie
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