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Okkk... Does that make it him bashing the 1M? Like I said Dan Parker backed it off when temps went into the 270-280 range, so he WOULDN'T heat soak. Heat soak/high heat=diminished torque for the N54 engine is not bashing anything
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Actually, I never backed off for a cool down lap. I pushed it hard lap after lap and the temp stayed at 270-280 without any loss of power. When the checkered was waved I took my cool down/in lap. That's when temps would drop down quickly.
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Read Dans thread. He says that "I never took a cool down lap until the checkered was waved and although the oil temps reached 270-280 the car would be back to 250 after about 1/2 lap of casual cool down lap driving" ^^^Thanks Dan, don't mean to step on your toes ;-) |
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I can't quite get, why people bash the op. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. So if someone prefers the M3, fine with me. I traded mine in for the 1M and to me it was the right decission. Just to get a point across... M3 vs 1M. Driving the Nordschleife yesterday, a friend in his GTS was either leading or following me. He stated, that in the steep uphill climbs he wouldn't have been able to easily pass the 1M even if he had wanted to. He had a little left, but not much. Now that's a GTS and not a stock M3! Naturally the GTS was clearly faster due to semis, aero and sheer grunt, but I am sure a stock M3 would not have been able to hold the pace we were running at. I am sure because I drove my M3 on the very same track. And mind you... we weren't trying to go fast yesterday, we were just having fun on our favorite playground.
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Thanks for the clarification Dan. So I take it you didn't notice any torque loss at all pulling out of the corners towards the end of your sessions? I think that is what people are all hung up about. I can see how the OP would feel underwhelmed about the power of the 1M coming from a tuned N54 335i, but I am willing to bet the OP would say that the 1M "handled" better than his 335i overall. That would be a statement I would agree with.
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No power loss any time, and trust me I pushed hard, especially during session 3 and 4 (the hottest). Check my thread. Lap times were very consistent. Exiting corners I could have used a little less power as oversteer was an issue.
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So, he is not entitled to his opinion because he is a M3 driver\owner? You say M3 drivers time and time again bash the 1M yet I think there is a flip side to this coin. 1M potential and future owners are too sensitive about anyone talking about their beloved 1M. This can go both ways. Let's not LUMP arrogance, 1M bashing and trashing with the entire M3 community ok?
On a side note, I am a M3 owner and I happen to love the 1M. I would love to get one and if I don't (due to its limited availability), then I will add another M3, (E92), to the stable. Not all of us hate a car that is in the family.. The ///M family Why should we? But we are allowed to voice our opinions and experiences, yes? |
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It's the general idea that the ecu will begin to pull back some timing as oil temps rise to prevent knock or detonation. These are safety systems in the ECU. By saying that there is no heat soak and drop in timing after temperatures go about 270F is like saying the engine is trying to sign itself a death certificate.
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I believe you....last time I was at RA myself and K. Brown were there during HPDE and running in the same run group....he got limp mode twice that day...I didn't get it once...maybe differences in the cars?
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I can only imagine what the response would be if a 1M owner posted the something negative about the M3 on the M3 forum. It not sensitivity about the 1M is frustration that most M3 drivers cant recognize the 1M for what it is. "The best M cars to come out of BMW in years." |
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One experience is irrelevant. And yet you fail to provide me with any factual information in response to my claims.... Interesting . Anyways, I am basing it on the entire group of N54 users INCLUDING 335IS's (Which have the same tuning and cooling components as the 1m). They all face heat soak. I rest my case, 1M owners like yourself seem to believe that the car is LIGHTyears ahead of the 135i in every aspect and not subject to environmental factors like heat soak . Enjoy you car.
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Nonetheless, I do agree that this 1M is only the beginning. They set out to go back to their roots and they acheived it with this 1M! It makes me very eager and excited for things to come. Especially the current M3 replacement... |
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Dan We ran the patriot course section for the 1M test, tight turns where I assumed the 1M would shine. With the M settings initially with MDM on (which may or may not have been turned off during the test run ). You are right on about the traction control, the system is clearly kicking in without "blinking". It's more aggressive than the M3 ZCP MDM mode, probably due to the torque, but I was doing my best to feather the throttle. With that being said there is a good uphill straight where you can hit a good clip in fourth gear---> that's where I noticed the heat soak and torque loss. Each lap I loss 1-2 mph. Same feeling I had with the 335i, with 1M it happened when oil temps hit 270-275F. I'm so used to that feeling from my 335i that I may be more sensitive to others. Sounds like you had a blast at RA, that's next on the menu for me then Watkins Glen. FYI No cars to interrupt airflow, but no long straights for complete cool downs.
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You know, maybe BMW is reading this and something good could come out of it. "Better cooling" maybe? I'm sure you both remember the dreaded 29.2 software load that neutered the N54 motor, well I complained about it and a few folks at BMW and here at the forums claim it was "all in my head". A year later BMW admits doing it and claims to have corrected the issue. Sometimes a magazine article in a controlled environment provides skewed results. Use your brain and make your own decision based on your own experience. I have. Before the new M3 comes out, I hope BMW thinks long and hard about cooling when they drop a turbo'd motor in there, otherwise for those of us in hot environments, BMW will no longer be an option.
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