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We kept the 2004 330Ci ZHP 6MT convert till last month with 125K+ miles on it...expect the 135is will also be a keeper.
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Driving around for the first time with the windows/sunroof fully open, and the exhaust is just complete .
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One of my gripes is transmissions. I don't care how many speeds you put in there, a REAL drivers car has a clutch pedal. Period. Not open for discussion. So much car control is based on how the clutch is used. One of my favorite feelings of driving is nailing a perfect heel-toe downshift though the gears, 5.....4......3..... as I wind down into a corner, slowly on the gas to the apex, then full on power as I wind out the steering leaving the corner. Getting it perfect is tough. When you do........magical!!!!! That is what a driver's car is about. It is about the visceral experience, not just ultimate lap times. The automakers have forgotten this. Well most have. Toyota gets it with their FRS/BRZ. To me, a driver's car should be tough to drive fast. Hence DRIVER involvement. If anybody can drive it fast, like the Skyline GTR, it is more about the impressive engineering and desing, and less about the driver. Lotus gets it. Toyota gets it (with the FRS) BMW is loosing it. Last edited by MightyMouseTech; 04-07-2013 at 05:47 PM.. |
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Just so you understand I drive both & don't think either are "hard" to drive. A hard to drive car is a badly designed car in my personal opinion & would be quickly sold off.
I am sure you do track days & know the fastest way around a road course is to be very very smooth. Hard & smooth don't play well together. Everybody in the family can drive a manual because I have always had at least one since 1960 when I got my drivers license on a 4 speed so maybe that's why we don't thing its all that big of a deal. That being said a 6MT can be a lot of fun to drive.
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Hi Everyone,
If you have not done a 135is search on this site lately, just wanted to point out a great thread started by mb135is entitled "135is owners - show us your cars". http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=766514 Check it out and, if you are an 135is owner, by all means post your pictures! Carbon Black has been trending high lately, looking for a vermillion red one if there is one out there! |
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Good discussion in this thread. Basically, I don't even like a bit even the best of DCT boxes or real autos, sat nav screens, i-drive, electronic hand-brake, auto start-stop, adjustable dampers, electro-mechanic steering in a performance car (some or all can be acceptable in family cars though). That makes me lucky since I have none of those, not even power seats in my 1M, despite the fact that I do have everything I want and need; merely missing a manual dipstick instead of electronic one, and that's probably about it. Don't have big hopes about the "feeling" of next 2 series or M2 either. It will be faster, more powerful, more efficient, more comfortable and more spacious car among other things, for sure. But I bet it will also be more indifferent to driver input and therefore will be more clinical and less visceral.
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You do bring up a good point about the ever increasing amount of technological features found in new and upcoming cars. Manufacturers wouldn't be adding this stuff if customers were not asking for it and/or demanding it. So like you mentioned, there are those of us who are both car and technology "enthusiasts" ranging in age as well. The trend that some of us in this thread are alluding to though is that many people ages 16 - 20 these days have absolutely no interest in even learning how to drive. Instead, they are more interested in social networking and the latest mobile device to come to market. While this stuff can be interesting, it is baffling many of us (including the auto industry as a whole) that a generation can seemingly lose interest in driving overnight. I have a couple of my own theories about it, with the first being a simple one. More people are moving closer to urban areas, so this younger generation may have greater access to public transportation than previous generations and thereby not need to drive a car to get around. My second theory relates to social media. With the trend of social media further eroding personal privacy, maybe this younger generation doesn't really care about that feeling of "freedom" that comes with driving or having your own car. In the same issue of Road & Track with this 135is review, there is an article on the topic of the young generation not wanting to drive. It's an interesting read on how R&T tries to stimulate an 18 year old kid's interest with cars.
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Thanks for the info. Heard the term before but did not know what it meant.
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Road & Track 135is Review
I scanned an article I thought everyone would find interesting.
I found the comments about the 135 being the last of the pure BMW driving cars. From certain viewpoint I can agree with the author. I hope he's wrong though. _Mark Road & Track 135is Review |
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Road & Track 135is Review - The last drivers BMW?
I scanned an article I thought everyone would find interesting. The author makes some pretty evocative comments about the 135 being the last of the pure BMW driving cars. From certain viewpoint I can agree with the author because I can see how wired up modern cars are becoming. I hope he's wrong though.
What viewpoint is that? It is the ruining of the experience of driving the car yourself. Take the Nissan GTR for example, as a celebrated sports car its a shame that it doesn't even come in a manual. The electronics do almost everything for the driver. Another example for BMWs is that I read they are already, or are going to implement soon, automated rev matching for manuals. Shameful. Some will argue that novice drivers will appreciate such features, but that misses the point of the experience. Human beings will always make mistakes, but in trying to overcome those mistakes is where enjoyment and fun exist. How bored will you be when your new 2031 BMW has input the track GPS data into the ECU, controls the steering, throttle, braking, hell even the radio, and puts in the perfect laptime all without you even looking up? _Mark Road & Track 135is Review |
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far from it. you can argue the gtr doesnt come in manual same way you can argue the 135is doesnt have an LSD.
auto rev matching has been in the business for awhile. i dont see why you wouldnt want it. the new market doesnt exactly tailor to the true car enthusiast. some cars will be to slow/fast/boring/cheap/expensive etc. im sure bmw isnt intentionally trying to make their cars worse or less fun to drive. |
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I don't think the author is wrong, it's all a preference of what you like. BMW is catering to the masses which just want an appliance, but if it is a premium appliance it is even better as it must be good The trend that I really do not like is that all cars like 3 series are getting bigger and bigger (1 is the old 3?), to the point where the old 7 series will be like new 3 in terms of size and weight. Not sure about you but 7 is a boat, how much fun will that be?
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I don't disagree that current and future cars will always be the result of what the majority wants. Its simple economics. The majority will ask for automatics, self driven cars, and other technology. But drivers...as part of society that would label themselves an automotive purist, I regretfully admit that we are slowly shrinking in numbers. We are not part of that majority. These "advances" will not cater to us and will slowly erode what we enjoy. If I sound cataclismic, please excuse the dour tone. I just love driving, and the machines that make a great drive possible. I don't believe this will come any time soon. I just think it will be sad when/if it does go away. Nothing lasts forever. Last edited by RallyRcrr; 04-18-2013 at 11:10 PM.. |
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