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So rotora is oe pads only? Blech They also seem to only do 355mm rear as well, which is also strange So rotora's a no go for having terrible rotors and a limited selection of pads? Sad, the price was right.. So far out of the expensive kits, it'd be either stoptech or AP winning, and nashin leading the bottom end Brembos are just way too expensive, paying too much for the name I don't want to go cheap on brakes, they ARE the second most important part of your car (after tyres ) for safety.. but $4k landed for fronts, and not much less for the rear... yeah i'm going to try to minimize the damage here, i really REALLY don't want to pay that much for something GOOD. i don't need a kit that will win races... just occasional track day abuse and daily (often aggressive) driving ... as well as being reliable enough to save my life, other peoples lives and my car.. and not fail and cost more money down the track. another one i've discovered: forge makes BBK's (same as forge DV's), rave reviews from the VW golf community, going to research more later as i believe they're VERY affordable 6pot 356mm's with every pad aailable.... further googling and forge BBK are more than likely a china/taiwan product, but still apparently decent. hmh.. not sure what other products share the calipers, not ksport/nashin.. though they Look VERY similar to ksport, but not 100% from pics i've found D2 racing/ksport are the closest in visual design, but the standing-out logo part on the forge kit is different, and the bolts are beefier.. Looks nothing like rotora or xyz.. Ed: i sent an email to forge asking about their bbk I got Quote:
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Only 'named' brand I'd consider other than AP Racing would be Alcon.
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RB 135i caliper rebuild & braket for larger rotor RB 335i Caliper upgrade & larger rotor BMW F20/F30 M sport or BMWP brake system for the front only
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Bmwp front and rear $2500, rb rebuild $200, rb rotors $1200 Yeah that's proper bbk price.. Rb caliper/bbk setup looks like it could be had for $2500ish-2700, but there'd be no matching rear kit Even bmwp front only + rb rotors + rebuild kit comes in dangerously close to proper (stoptech etc) bbk price. |
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Racing Brake BBK
Racing Brake has a group buy list for their BBK conversion using the standard 135i calipers. With their piston upgrade kit, Hawk track pads, you will get 95% or better performance of other BBK upgrade kits, at 1/3 the price! The shipping will also be cheaper to Australia. Here is the link:
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I would need 135i calipers too which is a solid $1100, then rotors even for a full gb is $900+ shipping + taxes so $1500ish Piston upgrade kit $200+ shipping so say $230 And we're at almost $3k just for that pretty quickly.. And we're still not as good as the 'proper' bbk's by any stretch Yeah no, i could get a proper 100% of a bbk performance for that money. |
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Have you looked into XYZ bbk. They seem more reputable then k2 that even Corvettes are installing them for track duty. Allow for after market pads Not sure what application any new kit needs in order to be considered credible. They would probably cost 3k USD for front and back. What about project Mu or other japan brands?
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10-24-2012, 09:28 PM | #32 | |
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Yeah the ONLY info i can find is for corvettes... The name is dodgy, price pretty low, only really a single forum thread with 3 or so users of them. Not used by enough people for my liking. What's k2 though? Can't really find anything from those brands |
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There are a fee UK brands that offer Tuv certified BBK kits too. Prob at BBK prices. What about WP Pro Brakes bbk( its reputable in Canada, used in racing http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/show...=117895&page=2 http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=653790 ) XYZ has been fitted to some Accord, but no metions of track stats Last edited by andrey_gta; 10-24-2012 at 10:11 PM.. |
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ED: http://wpprobrakes.com/main/brake/select yeah, just had a look there... $3300 front, nah i'll just get brembos.. ED: oh wait... $2500 for 360mm but nothing listed for the rear might send them an email, that's not a bad price. |
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The problem I'm finding with BBK is nobody has them in stock and they won't ever keep them in stock. They are built to order. Everyone says 4-6 weeks but I think it's one of those situations where they say 4-6 weeks but in reality it's closer to 3-4 months, who knows, possibly a lot longer. That's the impression I'm getting anyway. It's frustrating. I wouldn't mind putting down a deposit but forking out 3k upfront stinks.
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so far i've had two companies just stop replying to emails the most success i've had is from pm's on this forum about stoptechs (as far as i can gather they can get them rapidly), which is nice.. and some OE replacement gear months doesn't sound right, it's a standard caliper with a specific rotor and mounting bracket yeah? i mean, i could understand shitty companies taking months... but still...' at this rate i'll be getting some better pads/rotors/lines and upgrading when i've got the new motor in or something... ED: oh! 130i's have bigger rotors than 128i's it seems! 330mm vs 128i's 300mm well then. kinda sucks hah Last edited by flinchy; 10-25-2012 at 06:52 AM.. |
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Use OEM caliper 900 or their caliper 2500 Definitely email them EDIT: Wilwood is an option too http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31651 Powerbrake from South Africa is also good on paper. (cater to ferrari & other race teams including BMW team in Europe, USA, South Africa) -To USA they offer free shipping, maybe Australia too -There are 2 versions of 4 pot Race calipers available -Their 4 pot PB44L comes in a Cup version that is for the street/light track - Lots of pad choice, including Hawk ( see BMW team http://www.powerbrake.co.za/news/rc0812.htm) -Pricing from what I found is under $3k for 350mm and prob cheaper for 330mm ( 17" inch wheels work) http://www.powerbrake.co.za/ http://www.nissanownersclub.co.za/fo...c.php?p=224380 (I am actually excited about this Powerbrake's option)
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Performance friction are by far the best bbk available for the 135i. Most of the top race teams in grand-am and lemans run performance friction. However effective braking on the track is almost 100% due to cooling
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Thoae willwoods are a great price! I can't see them for sale any more at uuc tho :/ Ed: vat is 20%, import duties are 20%.. Works out about the same lol Performance frictions look great in every way.. But pad per piston sounds restrictive in choice and pricey to replace.. Plus initial price is very high... I'm not too sure they'd be awesome on a daily? (How fast they could wear?) And formula 1 (and other series') teams run AP, willwood and brembo parts.. Other teams may run ksport if they want, it really (mostly) doesn't mean crap who races it.. often custom engineering for race teams..you never hear about replacing parts or long term (or even short term) wear especially on race cars for the most part.. And if you can guarantee the part will be the same as the race car (as in the performance fiction), on top of not really knowing how it will be long term on the street, the price strts VERY high. Last edited by flinchy; 10-25-2012 at 05:56 PM.. |
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Another thing to consider is longevity. As in how long are you going to be able to replacement pads/rotors? The bigger the company the more assured you are you'll be able to get parts for the car.
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Powerbrake's cost under 3k is a price I found on some other South African Ford vendor's page and converted from South African currency to Dollars Regarding size, I'm actually interested in their 330mm kit so that I can run my winter 17" wheels or track 17's (if I ever can track the car). The BMW race teams they mention seem to run this 330 kit as well. The only reason I see for my 128i to do 350mm is bling, and rightfully so if you are spending 2k+. I do not recall seeing any rear application on their page I found Wilwood for e90 on ebay in black caliper. Visually their calipers look dated, but that's just visually. In any case I think Powerbrake and WPro should be contacted as they look to be decent alternatives that are not kSport/rotora and XYZ.
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