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10-28-2013, 02:55 PM | #69 |
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If Porsche would get moving a small sedan, I would basically be done with BMW. I like the Panamera, but it is huge.
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On the flip side though, test drove a Toureg TDI and that thing felt like what the cayenne should have felt in the first place. The Best SUV I have driven. The sad thing is that no dealers here will order a cayenne without that garbage steering system. Too bad, they just lost my business
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10-29-2013, 11:37 AM | #74 | |
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As above, correct. Even an entry level panamera (whether you like the looks or not) is a significantly better car than the 5 series and 6 series gc let alone getting into the S and GTS models which not even the M5 is as good to drive. |
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I read that Porsche stated that the Panamera was built to be a sportier alternative for BMW 7 and Benz S buyers. It is Porsche's first attempt to build a sedan and I say that they did a stellar job since not only does it successfully do what it was designed to do it also competes well with the 5 and 6 series. I would imagine that a smaller sedan built to compete with the 5 series will like it's bigger brother be able to compete one level down with the 3 and 4 series in everything but price. If the "Pajun" sees production it will shake things up for BMW, Benz and Audi. For me, it will likely be a permanent move to Porsche after almost 30 years with BMW since i don't really like what BMW is doing these days. The F80 could be a return to form but that remains to be seen.
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I get that; but unless I get to drive one without that garbage setup; its a no sale... as it stands though I am going the route of the new X5.
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Yeah exactly, your chances of walking out with the starting price is zero. Some options are mandatory. the last time I speced out a 911 it gave me four options for seats, all which added money. You couldn't go with "standard" bc that meant you wouldn't have seats. Lol
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i just picked up a new to me 11 x5d, my second and i like them.
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10-30-2013, 12:09 PM | #82 |
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Yeah, but he's complaining about the electronic steering (or at least the assisted steering option) and is picking up an X5 with electronic steering which has been panned as softer than the E70's hydraulic steering.
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10-30-2013, 12:18 PM | #83 | |
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The X5 electronic steering is MUCH better than the cayenne's. I must add though the Toureg was brilliant; and I have no doubt in my mind that the Cayenne would have been similar without the servotronic setup; but not being able to drive one before dropping 65K+ makes no sense to me.
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The Cayenne has hydraulic steering. Power steering plus ( Servotronic ) is variable assist which I think does include an electric motor in addition to the hydraulic setup. It results in a super light steering at city speeds. The standard steering is not by any means heavy ( much lighter than an E70 or E90 for example ) but feel much better than the plus if you are used to more resistance. I like the Cayenne's standard steering and I hated the fully electric power steering on my F10.
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10-31-2013, 09:32 PM | #86 | |
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Got it, mines an 11 so still an e70 platform. Not a fan of the new one, yet.
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I highly doubt there will be a new 3.6 V6 twin turbo, considering that Porsche just develop a 3.0 V6 twin turbo generates 420hp already in the Panamera S. I'm betting that Porsche will just tune the current V6 supercharged engine in the Audi lineup for the Macan S and use the latter for the Turbo version. It just doesn't add up or make sense at this moment.
BTW I think those are good photo shop pics, there no hood line as you can see from the most recent spy pics. Last edited by cjwb1984; 11-01-2013 at 10:09 PM.. |
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