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Head on over to the M2 board and post your belief there. Will be interesting to see what real owners have to say. I suspect most will find your post humorous. Go for it. Dare ya
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.
Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
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All of this is besides the point though as All I'm really saying is that the M2C should be available pretty easily after the first few months. It's not a limited car it's the new 'base' M2. I think the name alludes to it being a special or limited edition but it's really just a new name for the M2 with the S55. Either way I hope it's a fun car for those who buy one. The N55 M2 was a good car...
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I'm in Florida.
Currently you might see them. But for owners like me, who were after them since mid 2016 up until late last year it was still a bitch to get one. Now you can find some used one on the market and also at dealers. My local dealer has a used Mineral Gray on the lot right now.
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I don't believe BMW switched to the S55 in the M2 just to add power. My understanding was that the N55 would no longer meet new emissions regulations, so they had no choice but to move to a different engine.
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I agree as well. It's also clear that you aren't willing to accept the truth which has been documented by buyers in the M2 section over the last two years since February 2016 when the M2 was introduced. Except apparently in your area , where the M2 was available something like 6 months after it began being produced. If that's the case then indeed, your area will be flush with M2 competitions by Christmas , while the rest of the United States will take about another year longer probably to get to that point. If I am looking for an M2 Comp well under list price though, I'll be giving you a ring and I'll expect the name of a dealer and a sales person that can back up your bluster. |
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When were the first M2's delivered in your area? Earliest my local dealer delivered was May 2016 and my second dealer was July 2016. I can give you their numbers.. I am sure they will back up my "bluster" Why is everyone on this board is so edgy lately? Ever since this M2 Competition has been announced everyone has their panties in a fucking bunch..
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I really like how the M2 looks from the front, especially at certain angles when you see those rear hips flare out.
The rear end is what i really...can not take in. Competition or not, it looks too wide for my taste. I am considering a M2 for my next car, all the teams i have visited at Nürburgring are recommending them instead of the 1M for an "everyday car", no tuning issues, no heating issues "get in and drive" but too many driver aids if you ask me. However, there is a rumor that BMW sent out an internal memo, requesting that dealerships to cut open oil filters on the M2, M3 and M4 during oil changes and inspect for metal particles. Apparently there MAYBE the classic M rod bearing issues, as far as i know no solid proof of such a case, but everyone is on their toes checking. |
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Regarding M2 supply, there are several of them sitting at my local dealership in Northern Va waiting for a home. No M2C in sight on the lot. I take it you could get a pretty good deal on a 2018 M2 if your in the market.....however, my guess is most enthusiasts will rather go the M2C route unless you're getting such an incredible deal on the 2018 M2.
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You can find an M2 now at good prices but they are still up there. It is a great car for daily and weekend fun if you are looking to have a capable weekend track car in your daily I mean.
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The differential is also a huge leap ahead. Imo, the E46, E9x, E82 really suffered and took a step back compared to older clutch type LSDs in the day (E36, E39 etc). Imho, flame-suit on, they suck. The F8x Active M diffs go one better with a load more inputs to get a better locking behaviour. I'm curious if and how it works on decel too. So yeah, already from factory you have far superior pieces. Pieces that if you change on a E series chassis, takes away from it's daily capabilities. The only aids I hate is the steering, EPS sucks (for me) and BMW seem to veer further and further away from sports/driver/enthusiast cars imo. “There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.” Good read: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/st...-steering-feel |
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Thanks gmx!
Great article.....however, he totally side stepped the direction the interviewer was getting after. At the end of the day, BMW is targeting the mainstream consumer. That's what they will have to do to continue growing at the current pace. I just wish the M division sat apart from this "mainstream" philosophy that they are focused on. |
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Those diffs can always be upgraded, i mean that is what happens with technology, but everytime i consider to replace my 125i, i keep finding myself looking at E46 M3s, then reality hits me and i smile at the 125i (due to much cheaper running costs for road and track). That S65 V8 is wonderful, but its fuel...on track they run out after 4 laps on Nürburgring (i do 9+ before the warning light comes on). The M2, from what i heard, can do around 6+ laps when pushed hard. But there is no denying, that the new M cars have a way better base/foundation to start with as any E series cars, from chassis and handling perspective. They are almost "track ready", unless you convert to no interior, cage, racing brakes, suspension etc then cooling should be considered. For dual purpose, get in and drive and they say. |
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My only problem (if you call it a problem) is that i really like to stick with NA engines since i do a lot of track days (5-6 a year). When i was at mending Airfield track day, i saw two 911.1 Turbos, F80 M3 and C63 AMG all go into the pits by laps 4-5. They all got limp mode/engine warning, granted it was a 42c day so it was probably touching 50c on track (more or less). My own N52 engine oil was sitting just a tad over 120c with 5w-40 oil when normally i see it between 115c and 120c during hot and humid summer days on track, i may be slower but that engine just kept going, happily redlining 3rd and nearly 4th all day long. M2 is a very VERY completing package in terms of performance, value, size and practicality, no doubt. But something about hearing a screaming 6 or 8 cylinder NA engine redlining....puts a huge smile on my face. |
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I had mine running events where it was 20min session consecutively and not heat soak or limp mode but I was modified. I ran an event where ambient temp was 97 degrees and still performed very well. The DINAN intercooler was 278% bigger than stock. It was a great car and very fun. The new one has even better cooling for track days, I am looking forward to putting it thru its paces on track once I get it. But yes, nothing beats the sound of N/A, I used to track a light Honda weighing 2200 lbs and pushing 185whp at 9600 RPM. A BMW straight six or even the V8 on the E9X revving high is music to the ears. But the pull the turbo cars have at low end is amazing compared to some N/A cars.
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