03-24-2018, 05:42 PM | #23 |
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Thank you for putting this together.
This indicates that there were 750 produced, rather than the often reported 740. This shows 6 press cars vs more on the Registry file put together several years ago. This shows the last car produced as 47840, rather than 47835, as on the Registry. |
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2 of the registry cars are actually Canada builds (VP75953, VT47720) 2 of the registry cars are actually US builds (VS96593, VT47840) Quote:
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983 total cars were built for Canada and the US. 222 of 983 were built for Canada. 11 of 761 were pre-production cars that were never imported for sale. 6 of 750 were identified from the factory as press cars (option 902). 4 of 744 were noted as press/demo in the registry, but do not have option 902. So to get down to 740 you have to exclude the 6 known press cars and the 4 assumed press cars in the registry. The problem I have with that is I can confirm that one of the 6 known press cars (VP75916) was sold to a private owner in 2012. So it makes more sense to me that if I owned that car I would have 1 of 750 in the US. I think there were 750 built to US specs that could be privately owned, albeit some of those were originally press or performance driving school cars. |
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03-27-2018, 11:29 AM | #26 | |
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I can confirm that all of the 'press' cars identified in the original registry (10) have been sold and registered in the United States. That being the case, in my opinion they should 'count', as you have indicated, as well. So, yes, 750 seems to be a more accurate number. |
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03-27-2018, 12:28 PM | #27 |
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No harm, no worries. I just thought I should explain your observed differences in more depth for everyone's benefit.
And while I didn't want to rain on parades, the X of 740 car number people thought they had based on the registry probably isn't accurate. 740 is a debatable total, and X has always been wrong for any car after VP75953. |
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10-03-2018, 10:05 PM | #29 |
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I think there is always going to be some uncertainty in this number. Here's what I know for sure:
740 was the number quoted by the then head of M for BMW North America right after production finished. It's in a bimmerfile audio interview that you can still listen to (The 1M discussion starts around 7:15 and the direct quote is at 9:07): http://www.bimmerfile.com/2012/01/14...l-interviewed/ This is why 740 is the most commonly referenced number. It came from a reliable source and was re-posted, re-blogged, and re-tweeted enough to take root. Unfortunately, the VIN database from BMW does not confirm this number. The electronic parts catalog stores VIN ranges by model code and month of production. You can then take those VIN ranges and pull the full specs of each car from the central BMW database (which is what all the online decoders do one way or another). That is how I built the spreadsheet in this thread. I consider the other "Unofficial 1M Registry" to be useless. It has multiple errors in it as I outlined in post #24. So, if you trust BMW's own database of production data, then these are accurate numbers: - 983 total cars were built for the US and Canada markets under model code UR93. - 222 of 983 were built with option L838A - indicating it was a Canadian version of the car. - The remaining 761 of 983 are US spec cars. 11 of those 761 cars were pre-production models built from 9/2010 - 12/2010. These cars appear to have never been sold in the US because they have no VIN or title histories in databases like NVMTIS. My guess is that they were destroyed. So that is why I say 750 - it is a verifiable number of production cars built to US specs. If you are trying to get the number of cars originally sold new to customers, that would be tough to verify but is obviously less than 750. You would probably need someone at BMW to track down which dealer each car was delivered to and who bought it because you can find other interesting anomalies. For example, VT47840 was the last US spec car and it has no VIN or title history. It's not clear where that car is, but it doesn't appear that it was ever sold. If I had to take a wild guess, BMWNA realized the popularity of the car and had one more made. They put it in a warehouse so they could use it for future photoshoots and comparisons with a "spiritual successor" to the 1M. (That car does happen to be VO with manual seats and no Nav). TL;DR I say 750, most people believe 740, but you could also argue 761 if you include pre-production, or another unknown total if you only include cars sold new to customers. |
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It looks like the list is still being updated with relatively new Last Title Dates, I've found it to be a great reference for all the builds, especially during my search for one.
With a lot of the Canadian cars migrating to the US you're welcome to note that VP76035 is now in Canada (as of January 2022). |
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I always hate this list as it shows my car as salvage due to auto check translating disposed as salvage. Though, I suppose the original owner is partially to blame too. 🤷🏽‍♂️
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