07-11-2007, 11:47 AM | #45 | |
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I cannot stand it when people plaster ///M badges all over their non ///M cars...tho' I guess BMW is partly guilty by offering such packs across the whole range, devalues the real ///M somewhat I'd say. |
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07-11-2007, 11:54 AM | #46 | |
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07-12-2007, 10:28 AM | #52 | |
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Also, I really like the hood bulge like the E46 M3 in that photo. Side grills are cool too I guess and front bumper is slightly different. I think the 135i can be made close to this look and just leave the side grills off, I would be happy with that. |
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07-12-2007, 01:11 PM | #53 |
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the headlights are the biggest visual difference if you ask me.. but i believe that is an artists rendering from before we even had released pics of the 135 so theres really no telling what on that is based on reality
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07-13-2007, 05:43 PM | #54 |
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Lol...If you are trying to install a sway bar in the engine bay you are going to have bigger problems. You are thinking of a strut tower bar.
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07-13-2007, 09:51 PM | #55 |
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s54 does not pass emissions for 2008. This is the last year of the Z4M and this engine will be discontinued. I dought they will make a new Six. The new gen Z will get the V8 in the M, and they will not put a V8 in a 1.
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10-28-2007, 07:51 AM | #56 |
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Guys, there is one thing you need to keep in mind, THE NAME. It is the name that legendary Lamborighini-BMW held. It cannot be messed easily. No matter how good performance-wise it is, I am not sure if BMW wants to use the same name on its basement model.
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10-28-2007, 02:50 PM | #58 |
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I see two ways they could do a super-1.
The first is the 135Tii, with substantial weight loss, LSD, suspension tuning, and beefed up N54. Bigger turbos(along with a few extra pounds of boost), better IC and Oil Cooling, dual exhaust could easily yield a reliable 380-400+hp, which is what this car needs to be sold in the 45-50k pricerange as a pure sports car. The other way they could do it, is to add an M badge (who really cares what they call it. They're smart, they'll figure it out), and build a higher displacement, direct injection N52 (N56?) that revs to 8500. Pretty sure if they bored and sleeved that block they could get 3.2l out of it, I recall there being a lot of room between cylinders. With direct injection they could provide highly efficient fuel delivery even at stratospheric RPMs. With current technology they could probably hold it together until 9,000rpms, and deliver over 130hp/L. I think they want to shoot for 380-430. 430 would give the car more HP than a Corvette, justifying a $5k price premium. I think their main targets with this car will be Corvette, Elise, CTS-V, big HP american cars in the upper 30s-low 40s, Boxster, perhaps even with the goal of providing a cheaper alternative to the 911, with an equal driving experience for a fraction of the cost. I think 1 series with 380-430hp and chassis tuning would probably start around 48, and end up around 55 once you add on a few options. This kinda fills in the place in the pricerange that the E46M3 took, and I think such a car could compete favorably against the Corvette, the big robber of sales for $40-60k sports cars.
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10-28-2007, 03:50 PM | #59 | |
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/agree I think it's alot easier than that. Knowing the 135i weighs 3373lbs and the n54 can get 400hp stock, there isn't much needed to get the Tii concept a great starting block for motorposting. aka Clubsport. With use of a CF hood, CF roof you probably saving 35lbs right there (ie no moonroof). If Shiv (Vishnu tunning) can extract all that power out of the biturbo, then BMW can do 80% of that and keep it realiable and under warranty without touching on durability. So the Tii Concept will probably come in around 3,100lbs with 365hp/380ft-lb of torque, your already talking about a significant hp-to-weight ratio. Fatter tyres, lighter rims and a more agressive chasis will make it more nimble than anything BMW has produced in 10 years, possibly close to the Porsche Cayman S Toss in a Limited Slip Differential, more efficient FMIC, less restrictive lightweight exhaust and your on the 911's doorstep. I'm sure BMW has more than that planned. They seem pretty eager to reclaim their motorsport image. There is no need to reclaim the M bage. I think BMW is going farther back with this car... They need a new racing pedigree, I think the Tii might be it! |
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10-28-2007, 04:45 PM | #60 |
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I really agree with the last two posts.
The M1 or tii will happen but i would say give it 1-2 years. BMW has needed to get on board and take on the STI and EVO for a long time and i think that this might just do it. The reason for a bit higher price over the STI/EVO is the fact that its a BMW and it will be much nicer inside than the others. |
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10-28-2007, 05:53 PM | #61 | |
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It won't be an M1 though, BMW really cannot use that designation. Due to possible legal or intellectual right dealing with lambo. Thats why they releases the Tii Concept...! |
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10-28-2007, 07:40 PM | #62 | |
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Also, I know Lambo failed to keep up their end fo the agreement for the production of the M1 leading the car to be developed by the M division. That may release BMW from any legal obligations. I think the M1 will happen, although not anytime soon. If they truly do make an M1, I'm putting my money on an I6 engine with outputs of 370 hp+ in addition to much lighter weight than the soon to be 135i. Garrett - Still a good point on the concept of the Tii though. |
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