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I agree with that. Engines should be evaluated on HP/weight, throttle response, rev range (a motor that has fairly good low-rpm torque and makes high power at high revs is ideal), low center of gravity, small dimensions, and efficiency. I also favor a true dry sump for high-g oiling and long-term reliability when driven hard for long periods.
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03-21-2010, 07:38 PM | #222 |
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You know the best part of buying a new mustang? You know its a decent car because you will see ten just like yours on the way to work. One of the many reasons I won't buy a mustang/camaro no matter how good they sound/look/perform.
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You guys are just getting ridiculous. How can you not say the the new 302 wont be a good engine. Why do all of you guys have such a negative view of Fords? The fact of the matter is that they are damned good and reliable cars.
Its gonna be nice to see the asses of all of the Mustangs going by while im on the side on the highway with my 30th HPFP failure in as many days. |
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The HPFP problem does not worry me one bit, I have yet to have any indication that it might fail and BMW warrantied it for something like ten years and 120k miles. This is why I am not worried. I think the camaro and new mustang are excellent performers for the money and generally good looking vehicles, I just hate seeing my car everywhere. When I see a one series it is a pleasant surprise. Also, I am not a fan of high displacement v8's. And at altitude it is hard to beat a couple of turbos.
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Agreed. Why is it that when the almighty BMW has a legitimate engine issue that it is simply excused. There is no reason why this issue hasnt been resolved after 4 years!
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I'm ignoring it because it has ZERO merit when it comes to street cars.
Keep dreaming. Last edited by jeremyc74; 03-22-2010 at 10:38 AM.. |
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03-22-2010, 11:11 AM | #229 |
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It's funny to see the folks with the cheapest BMW offering pretending that one of the most expensive Ford offerings is somehow well below their lofty standards.
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03-23-2010, 09:25 AM | #231 |
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Why would it be a dig on anyone? I fail to see how either brand is different or better than the other? I'll give you that the live rear axle makes the Mustang a bit handicapped in this hypothetical comparison, but aside from that, and it's rather large size, it would seem like more than a fair comparison to a 135i, as it should prove faster in a straight line and significantly faster around almost any track, as the current GT with the Track Package is already on par or faster than a 135i.
I suppose all I'm saying is that I'd drive a Kia if it was rwd and as fun as my M Coupe, just as I'd drive a Jaguar or Cadillac if it was similarly sized and as well balanced as the 135i. I may have two BMW's presently, but it certainly doesn't mean that I won't consider other brands with newer product and possibly better offerings. Just a quick comparison, but it appears that the Mustang is a rather comical 17 inches longer, 5 inches wider and 220 pounds heavier, so it's certainly not directly comparable in size, but does pack another 112 hp and 90 lb/ft of torque. So it's not really something I'd directly compare, but ignoring it simply because it's a Ford would be silly. |
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Competition heats up:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/23/r...below-c-class/ and 2011 STi should be nice as well. |
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Will this never ending debate ever reach a conclusion?
It's soooooooo tiresome reading this Mustang VS BMW bullshit. There is no comparison, END OF. Get a life.
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Don't drive a 3, but I agree with you there. I see just as many of those as the mustangs (military base), which is exactly why I don't/will not drive one. When I drove a 95' buick regal GS (which will always have a special place in my heart) I liked the fact I didn't see any of them on the roads, especially still in good condition. That didn't make it a better car than all the mustang and 3 series I parked next to. I don't want to drive a bellybutton car.
For the record, the saleen mustang has one of the best exhaust tones that I have ever heard in person and I think the mustang is an icon in America, but i just don't want to spend my money on it. As for the HPFP, it is a problem BMW has had and if it would fail on me more than twice, I would probably get rid of the 1er. However it hasn't happened yet and if it doesn't It may keep me from getting out of the 135.
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I would not mess with that 5.0. http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...ang-gt-50.html
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I disagree but it will be a great value nonetheless.
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weighs 100lbs less than the v8 M3 more power more torque $20,000 cheaper nice reply in link - this mustang is going to be amazing. |
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test It should be faster than an M3 in all circumstances. It's not. I've seen countless M3's be much faster. I'm hoping Ford works out its acceleration issues.
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Here is what I don't understand. Mercedes Benz, Audi, and rest of the world has never been able to build a better balanced car than the M3...
Presto... Ford has a mustang with the winning formula? c'mon This debate is ridiculous. Go to the Ford board and beat up on BMW. |
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