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Coupe vs. Sedan German vs. German BMW didn't compare....5th Gear compared. STi and EVO are logical comparisons. I'm sure they will be made. |
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Yup - R&T had a big comparo in this latest issue of the Evo vs. STi, suspect they'll brush some of that off and throw the 135i into the mix. It'll hapen soon enough - remember the cycle time for the buff books is at least two months. Since they are just getting their hands on long term cars, expect to be reading those articles in the June/July issues of the magazine. (May 1st on sale date for a June 'edition', it's the end of Feb now, and magazines are 'put to bed' a couple of months in advance, so, for instance, that gives them a month to get everything together for a July issue.)
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AND I should mention that I'm surprised that hardly anyone EVER mentions the R32 as direct competition to the 135i.
Surely competition that's just as valid, if not moreso, as an Evo or STI, no? |
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02-29-2008, 01:52 PM | #209 |
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id say its closer to the 135 than the 128. so, yes. and a fairly good competitor, depending on how you look at it. there are other countries besides the US?
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02-29-2008, 03:11 PM | #210 |
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no. The R32 is SLOW compared to the 135, Evo or STi. I just drove one last week. More comparable to the 128, WRX and upcoming turbo Ralliart.
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03-03-2008, 02:07 AM | #211 | |
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But to be honest, I kind of trust the R32's build quality much more than I trust the Mitsu's. Just sitting in one at the autoshow shattered my hopes for that car. I felt like I was sitting in a tin can, and as much as I want to love the performance and the bargain proposition that it is, I can't bring myself to feel comfortable spending so much money on a car that I felt someone cheaped out on. The same with the Eclipse. I could possibly forgive the fact that it weighs way too much and is only a mildly entertaining steer, because hey, it looks great. It would be easy to chalk it up as a better-looking Accord coupe competitor. But then you sit in it and you're like... what? The turbo Ralliart... well, that might just be priced inexpensively enough for me to forget any resentments I might have about the $40,000 Lancer. |
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03-03-2008, 03:55 AM | #212 | |
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I always get a kick out of how some people complain about the inside of an Evo like its a Geo Metro or something. Pretty silly. Its only $33k, not $40k. Again, people looking for a performance car usually dont care about luxury crap, just adds weight :biggrin: |
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03-03-2008, 04:38 PM | #213 |
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people have different tastes and different priorities
ok we get it, youre going to strip the 135 interior on delivery. some want both, hilarious. $33k on a brand new car with a shitty/cheap interior? people have stated the reasons why they dont like that. and if its a performance car and they cheaped on the interior i hope they saved a ton of weight, but last i checked evo x is still pretty porky, they probably would have done better to lighten up in some other areas - if its truly a performance-designed car, right? and your boss is going to be really impressed when you drive to lunch, or your new girlfriend when you put your monkey suit on and go to the matinee. yes the 135 performs well, especially from a bang for the buck perspective (why lower to the competition?), but it is not an uncompromised, balls out sports car. unless its a 100% track toy (which, ok, thats all you care about) it matters to the majority of us, so theres no sense in repeating that it doesnt matter as much to you.
well there are a lot of members here that own R32s and are on the fence as to whether or not they want to give it up for a 135, so, yes. |
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That ^^ is a flawed concept. The premise for an EVo or an STI is that they are a Lancer and an Impreza. Nothing is wrong with that, the price is strictly incurred because of the pricey engine and performance modification added to the base car. It's not hard to hit that particular performance/Price gap. Given the minimum "performance" most people want, the higher up you go in the price scale the more engineering is showcased. The BMW 135 is a prime example of this. The 135i has a 6 cylinder, 10 speakers, full leather, real wood trim, etc and weighs less than the EVO and STI. BMW wasn't trying to make a rally car or to even compete with such vehicles. If they were, then they wouldn't have designed it so upright. The 135i is a perfect GT. But with that extra $$ you do get a more refined car that is capable of invading in on the rally car segment. That said, the Lancer/Impreza is way down the list when talking about quality and interior, specially when holding it to BMW's watermark! |
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