Anything You Don't Like About 1 Coupe?

135iMAN · 10-20-2007, 02:45 PM

I agree they could have dropped it a little more like the 3series coupe's height.

Garrett · 10-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 135iMAN

I agree they could have dropped it a little more like the 3series coupe's height.

But that would totally defeat the whole premis of why they are making the 1series.

read, people, read!

Ryephile · 12-02-2007, 11:36 AM

Here's what I feel could make a more ideal 1-er:

1: Less "afraid" styling; the headlights make the car look like a scared cat
2: Sexier proportions; like making the car lower, both in body width and greenhouse height. A good 3 inches could be cropped out.
3: Less standard equipment. I don't need frills like rain-sense wipers, sunroof, cruise control, DSC, Xenon's, and auto HVAC. Those items should be options for those that demand such luxury.
4: More performance-oriented optional equipment: cloth and/or alcantara seats, torque-biasing limited-slip differential, 261 wheels, and [far fetched] lowered "hardcore" suspension.

That's about it. I dig the exterior styling concept, the whole interior, powertrain, suspension concept and brake design. The pricing is fair for the level of standard equipment; I would trade most items in my #3 line with all things in my #4 line above.

mikeo · 12-02-2007, 12:50 PM

Great suggestions for us enthusiasts, Ryephile.

Andys120 · 12-02-2007, 02:22 PM

Don't likes:

-Frumpy styling, esp swage line on side
-Limited color selection
-Run flats
-Weight

UJackM · 12-14-2007, 09:43 AM

1. Electric power steering: Why numb the handling of an ultimate driving machine???
2. Weight: Should be around 2,800 lbs to claim 2002i's heir, not 3,300 lbs pig
3. No mechanical LSD: Rear brakes emulating LSD? If you can only do it half-ass way, don't do it
4. $1,000 or $1,200 sports package to remove 130mph limiter: RIP OFF

jonny427 · 12-14-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UJackM

1. Electric power steering: Why numb the handling of an ultimate driving machine???
2. Weight: Should be around 2,800 lbs to claim 2002i's heir, not 3,300 lbs pig
3. No mechanical LSD: Rear brakes emulating LSD? If you can only do it half-ass way, don't do it
4. $1,000 or $1,200 sports package to remove 130mph limiter: RIP OFF

1. The 135i still retains hydraulic steering iirc
2. That is completely unrealistic. As everyone else has said.. how do you expect to shave 700lbs by trimming 3 inches off the 335?
3. It isn't half assing... braking the inside wheel multiplies the torque to the outside wheel (on a torsen, for example, the ratio is 4:1). So while you are loosing power on the inside wheel, you are making 4 times more on the outside. While it is not a true clutch-type LSD... I dont see any car maker putting one in a "normal" car as the NVH and maitenance on the unit will be more than most people will tolerate.
4. The sports package adds more than a higher speed limit...

As for my gripes, I absolutely hate run-flats. Based on my driving of the 335i, i'd wish for a stiffer suspension option as well.

1ToBeOn2Wheels · 12-14-2007, 06:52 PM

- The hideous orange reflectors for the US Market.
- The gauges could be a little more aesthetically appealing.
- A full LED tail light system.

Now I'm just being picky. No car will be perfect, but the 1-series is as close as I think I'll get to perfect.

~AJ · 12-14-2007, 06:57 PM

It's ugly.

Legion5 · 12-14-2007, 07:33 PM

I don't like the front grill area, it's obviously too flat and not as rounded as the pre production model which has easier sloping curves. BMW therefore chose to make it THIS bold, and here is what their message says: retarded.

The price is a little off for an ugly car.

The rear exhaust is weird. It's in the wrong place.

The car is too tall.

The rear lights make the car look closer to the shape of jet engine exhausts than lights. Lights are found in thin bars, rocket thrusters are found in tall rectangles.

The car looks goofy. The interior is very euro spec in it's size.. it's all very odd.

The car seems like it would *not* be comfortable.

The car is too weird in the wrong direction, and doesn't have enough good qualities about it.

It mas MacPherson Suspension which is second only to leaf springs. (BMW had to get the BEST shock company in the world to make their setup handle with such a cut price suspension. Even then I've talked to people that have worked on the project and they went crazy trying to get the job done right (they did in the end))

The wheels have a huge offset and aren't very concave. At all. They remind me of bycicle wheels when you can't see the full tread.

The car looks out of proportion. It IS a chop job. Sometimes such things turn out looking perfect and cool. This is a case where it turned out less than perfect...

There is a process called redesign, use it.

Brembo bakes which are useless on the street are featured. They add 2 grand to the price tag, however that's not he most useless option, the BMW marque adds 5 grand.

The tail is far too round, it accentuates the car's messy stance.

The shark fin looks particularly bad on a car with these proportions.

The top of the body is too curvy and bubble like, it makes the car look like a genetic freak with a stance that is way too strong where the fender flares look like wings.

The car sits noticeably and severely too high above the ground. It looks like a past generation 3 series on stilts.

The wheel arches do not go high enough on the body there is a lot of space between the top of the wheel well and any negative space, look at any other car then look at the 135i, the 135i looks like it has "legs" while other cars look like road going vehicles. This effect is caused by the rear roof pillar matching up on it's center line with the rear wheel well. This look was caused by the chop job effect.

The front is just weird, the front lights are just weird again.

The rear window is too small.

Again the car is just too tall.

I don't want to go into the 135i's issues after the BMWUSA brain trust messed with it. (color choice, options, corner reflectors etc)

I'm not saying I think the car sucks. However if I wasn't trying to buy one, then it would suck.

I just noticed.. the front and back they look like a matel toy version of the 328i!

The front can be fixed with eyelids. The rear, I just don't know..

UJackM · 12-15-2007, 09:51 AM

Boy, somebody gets defensive. I think the 2002i stuff is all marketing gimmick. It is not the size that makes impossible for 1's to be as light weight as it should be to claim 2002i heir, it is the shared architecture with 3's. Also, the limiter is a rip off. It is like saying "I am gonna cripple your car unless you pay extra grand for options you do not want to get otherwise". Someone else was bitching about "detunig" 330i's engine. I think detuning makes sense because you need to pay more money for more horse power (besides how would you explain to people who had bought 330i before if BMW sold a "new" 330i for a lot cheaper). However, the limiter is a RIP OFF. I would not spend my hard earned $1,000 - $1,200 to get shinny and bigger rims or to look faster otherwise.

imported_sbw · 12-15-2007, 12:50 PM

Also, if the lines were less dramatic (i.e., more straight like the 3 Series), the 1 coupe might look a bit better.

The curvy lines on the lower side of the 1 coupe, as well as on the tail end (especially the rising hill of the trunk lid), make it look like a squeezed 3 Series coupe.

I especially don't like how the top of the trunk curves up but the line below it curves down. I would've liked these lines to be a bit more straight. Again, makes it look like a squeezed 3 Series coupe.

I think straighter lines would have given the 1 coupe the appearance of a longer, wider car. However, maybe it would then look too much like a 3.

This being said, I'm positive BMW knows what it's doing. It puts a lot of work into design and engineering — and has to take into consideration the tastes and attitudes of various world markets, plus other significant variables.

I'm sure BMW painstakingly pored over every detail. It would be interesting to see the various styling bits that were rejected!

All in all, the 1 coupe is amazing!

Still can't get over the 300-horse twin-turbo engine, 18-inch wheels, beefy brakes, etc. that are standard on the 135i. Might as well be an M car!

BMW could've cut corners with the 1 coupe — but didn't!

slipkmaggot · 12-15-2007, 01:59 PM

can you find faults in perfection?:iono:

Torqueless · 12-15-2007, 02:59 PM

taillights are the only complaint I have and that isn't enough to deter me...

UJackM · 12-19-2007, 06:31 PM

By the way, can someone confirm that 135i does actually retain hydraulic power steering? Last time I checked the brochure, it said both 128i and 135i use electric one. I remember vaguely reading somewhere 135i's is actually somewhat hybrid of hydraulic and electric... It seems now 128i is out and I am forced to choose between 135i and 328i (335i is out of my budget), but if 135i is equipped with electric power steering, I am not sure if I want to spend that much money on one.

spudw · 12-20-2007, 09:41 AM

The more i see it, the more I like it.

However, sports package is way overpriced, and the 128i should be a 130i with 30 bhp more. It would have cost BMW nothing extra to make a 130i coupe...

dmboone25 · 12-20-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spudwest

The more i see it, the more I like it.

However, sports package is way overpriced, and the 128i should be a 130i with 30 bhp more. It would have cost BMW nothing extra to make a 130i coupe...

You should check out the previous 9 pages of this thread--there is a lot of discussion on this exact topic....

rossii · 12-20-2007, 05:19 PM

The only thing I dont like about the 1 Coupe is that I cant get till March!??

murellus · 12-20-2007, 05:45 PM

why does everyone always obsess over the top speed limiter?

spudw · 12-20-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

You should check out the previous 9 pages of this thread--there is a lot of discussion on this exact topic....

Dammit, you're right. I posted the same freakin' opinion back in September. Well at least I'm consistent...

dmboone25 · 12-21-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spudwest

Dammit, you're right. I posted the same freakin' opinion back in September. Well at least I'm consistent...

Well, I had actually read the whole thread on my lunch yesterday--just wondered what peeps didn't like--and that discussion about the difference in HP sort of took over towards the middle. :biggrin:

For the record, I am not sold on the face. The headlights, which have been beaten to death, are the key component of my hesitation. I have yet to see it in person though--hope its at the Chicago Auto Show in February. That might be all I need for a decision....

UJackM · 12-21-2007, 11:34 AM

Here is my prediction about the engine. BMW will drop 328i for MY 2009. Most likely, it will bump the base engine to "30" with a good price increase (say $35.5 - $36.5K excluding distination charge). Meanwhile, 330 will be upgraded to 338 or probably 340 ($40K plus) for 330HP to 350HP. Officially, 3 series will be out of reach of "small people" including myself. There may be a possibility they make 329 (with 245HP) and it may be right around $34K. This leaves "28" engine only to the very basement (for which you would even have to $500 to just get wood trim) 128i. Makes perfectly logical sense. BMW WON'T give you normal and not-detuned engine for free. It is not a bargain brand, it is a premium brand and more horse power means more money. You guys need to stop dreaming (or complaining) about it.

10-20-2007, 02:45 PM	#199
135iMAN New Member 2 Rep 11 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	I agree they could have dropped it a little more like the 3series coupe's height.
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12-02-2007, 11:36 AM	#201
Ryephile Not a Newbie 1 Rep 173 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2007 iTrader: (0)	Here's what I feel could make a more ideal 1-er: 1: Less "afraid" styling; the headlights make the car look like a scared cat 2: Sexier proportions; like making the car lower, both in body width and greenhouse height. A good 3 inches could be cropped out. 3: Less standard equipment. I don't need frills like rain-sense wipers, sunroof, cruise control, DSC, Xenon's, and auto HVAC. Those items should be options for those that demand such luxury. 4: More performance-oriented optional equipment: cloth and/or alcantara seats, torque-biasing limited-slip differential, 261 wheels, and [far fetched] lowered "hardcore" suspension. That's about it. I dig the exterior styling concept, the whole interior, powertrain, suspension concept and brake design. The pricing is fair for the level of standard equipment; I would trade most items in my #3 line with all things in my #4 line above. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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mikeo Santa Fe Concorso 107 Rep 2,984 Posts Drives: '11 M-sport 328i, '13 X1 28i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM iTrader: (3)	Great suggestions for us enthusiasts, Ryephile. __________________ Santa Fe Concorso - The Southwest's Premier Automotive Gathering.
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12-02-2007, 02:22 PM	#203
Andys120 Enlisted Member 1 Rep 48 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	Don't likes: -Frumpy styling, esp swage line on side -Limited color selection -Run flats -Weight
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12-14-2007, 09:43 AM	#204
UJackM Private 0 Rep 86 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (0)	1. Electric power steering: Why numb the handling of an ultimate driving machine??? 2. Weight: Should be around 2,800 lbs to claim 2002i's heir, not 3,300 lbs pig 3. No mechanical LSD: Rear brakes emulating LSD? If you can only do it half-ass way, don't do it 4. $1,000 or $1,200 sports package to remove 130mph limiter: RIP OFF
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12-14-2007, 06:52 PM	#206
1ToBeOn2Wheels Freude am Fahren 34 Rep 703 Posts Drives: B9 Audi S5 Coupe Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sierra Nevada Foothills, California iTrader: (0)	- The hideous orange reflectors for the US Market. - The gauges could be a little more aesthetically appealing. - A full LED tail light system. Now I'm just being picky. No car will be perfect, but the 1-series is as close as I think I'll get to perfect.
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12-14-2007, 06:57 PM	#207
~AJ Private First Class 3 Rep 184 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: OC iTrader: (0)	It's ugly.
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Legion5 Major 182 Rep 1,379 Posts Drives: e92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (12)	I don't like the front grill area, it's obviously too flat and not as rounded as the pre production model which has easier sloping curves. BMW therefore chose to make it THIS bold, and here is what their message says: retarded. The price is a little off for an ugly car. The rear exhaust is weird. It's in the wrong place. The car is too tall. The rear lights make the car look closer to the shape of jet engine exhausts than lights. Lights are found in thin bars, rocket thrusters are found in tall rectangles. The car looks goofy. The interior is very euro spec in it's size.. it's all very odd. The car seems like it would not be comfortable. The car is too weird in the wrong direction, and doesn't have enough good qualities about it. It mas MacPherson Suspension which is second only to leaf springs. (BMW had to get the BEST shock company in the world to make their setup handle with such a cut price suspension. Even then I've talked to people that have worked on the project and they went crazy trying to get the job done right (they did in the end)) The wheels have a huge offset and aren't very concave. At all. They remind me of bycicle wheels when you can't see the full tread. The car looks out of proportion. It IS a chop job. Sometimes such things turn out looking perfect and cool. This is a case where it turned out less than perfect... There is a process called redesign, use it. Brembo bakes which are useless on the street are featured. They add 2 grand to the price tag, however that's not he most useless option, the BMW marque adds 5 grand. The tail is far too round, it accentuates the car's messy stance. The shark fin looks particularly bad on a car with these proportions. The top of the body is too curvy and bubble like, it makes the car look like a genetic freak with a stance that is way too strong where the fender flares look like wings. The car sits noticeably and severely too high above the ground. It looks like a past generation 3 series on stilts. The wheel arches do not go high enough on the body there is a lot of space between the top of the wheel well and any negative space, look at any other car then look at the 135i, the 135i looks like it has "legs" while other cars look like road going vehicles. This effect is caused by the rear roof pillar matching up on it's center line with the rear wheel well. This look was caused by the chop job effect. The front is just weird, the front lights are just weird again. The rear window is too small. Again the car is just too tall. I don't want to go into the 135i's issues after the BMWUSA brain trust messed with it. (color choice, options, corner reflectors etc) I'm not saying I think the car sucks. However if I wasn't trying to buy one, then it would suck. I just noticed.. the front and back they look like a matel toy version of the 328i! The front can be fixed with eyelids. The rear, I just don't know..
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12-15-2007, 09:51 AM	#209
UJackM Private 0 Rep 86 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (0)	Boy, somebody gets defensive. I think the 2002i stuff is all marketing gimmick. It is not the size that makes impossible for 1's to be as light weight as it should be to claim 2002i heir, it is the shared architecture with 3's. Also, the limiter is a rip off. It is like saying "I am gonna cripple your car unless you pay extra grand for options you do not want to get otherwise". Someone else was bitching about "detunig" 330i's engine. I think detuning makes sense because you need to pay more money for more horse power (besides how would you explain to people who had bought 330i before if BMW sold a "new" 330i for a lot cheaper). However, the limiter is a RIP OFF. I would not spend my hard earned $1,000 - $1,200 to get shinny and bigger rims or to look faster otherwise.
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12-15-2007, 12:50 PM	#210
imported_sbw Ultimate Driver 14 Rep 132 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2007 iTrader: (0)	Also, if the lines were less dramatic (i.e., more straight like the 3 Series), the 1 coupe might look a bit better. The curvy lines on the lower side of the 1 coupe, as well as on the tail end (especially the rising hill of the trunk lid), make it look like a squeezed 3 Series coupe. I especially don't like how the top of the trunk curves up but the line below it curves down. I would've liked these lines to be a bit more straight. Again, makes it look like a squeezed 3 Series coupe. I think straighter lines would have given the 1 coupe the appearance of a longer, wider car. However, maybe it would then look too much like a 3. This being said, I'm positive BMW knows what it's doing. It puts a lot of work into design and engineering — and has to take into consideration the tastes and attitudes of various world markets, plus other significant variables. I'm sure BMW painstakingly pored over every detail. It would be interesting to see the various styling bits that were rejected! All in all, the 1 coupe is amazing! Still can't get over the 300-horse twin-turbo engine, 18-inch wheels, beefy brakes, etc. that are standard on the 135i. Might as well be an M car! BMW could've cut corners with the 1 coupe — but didn't! __________________ Autobahn Report — BMW News, Road Tests, Photos
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slipkmaggot First Lieutenant 15 Rep 361 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2007 iTrader: (0)	can you find faults in perfection?:iono: __________________ :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel:
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Torqueless 1 3 Rep 13 Posts Drives: Join Date: Dec 2007 iTrader: (0)	taillights are the only complaint I have and that isn't enough to deter me...
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12-19-2007, 06:31 PM	#213
UJackM Private 0 Rep 86 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (0)	By the way, can someone confirm that 135i does actually retain hydraulic power steering? Last time I checked the brochure, it said both 128i and 135i use electric one. I remember vaguely reading somewhere 135i's is actually somewhat hybrid of hydraulic and electric... It seems now 128i is out and I am forced to choose between 135i and 328i (335i is out of my budget), but if 135i is equipped with electric power steering, I am not sure if I want to spend that much money on one.
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12-20-2007, 09:41 AM	#214
spudw Major 75 Rep 1,305 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ottawa iTrader: (0)	The more i see it, the more I like it. However, sports package is way overpriced, and the 128i should be a 130i with 30 bhp more. It would have cost BMW nothing extra to make a 130i coupe... __________________ 2009 BMW 128i ~ Jet Black ~ Sport Package ~ Sunroof ~ USB Integration ~ Delivered on October 14, 2009
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12-20-2007, 05:19 PM	#216
rossii Second Lieutenant 27 Rep 294 Posts Drives: with wheels Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cali iTrader: (0)	The only thing I dont like about the 1 Coupe is that I cant get till March!?? __________________ "People who say they love the 'Ring' are either not going fast enough or lying" - Jackie Stewart
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12-20-2007, 05:45 PM	#217
murellus Lieutenant 12 Rep 523 Posts Drives: 22 x3m40i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: nj/nyc iTrader: (0)	why does everyone always obsess over the top speed limiter?
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12-21-2007, 11:34 AM	#220
UJackM Private 0 Rep 86 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (0)	Here is my prediction about the engine. BMW will drop 328i for MY 2009. Most likely, it will bump the base engine to "30" with a good price increase (say $35.5 - $36.5K excluding distination charge). Meanwhile, 330 will be upgraded to 338 or probably 340 ($40K plus) for 330HP to 350HP. Officially, 3 series will be out of reach of "small people" including myself. There may be a possibility they make 329 (with 245HP) and it may be right around $34K. This leaves "28" engine only to the very basement (for which you would even have to $500 to just get wood trim) 128i. Makes perfectly logical sense. BMW WON'T give you normal and not-detuned engine for free. It is not a bargain brand, it is a premium brand and more horse power means more money. You guys need to stop dreaming (or complaining) about it.
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