Anyone else having second thoughts due to the new software

[MattD]

Originally Posted by E82TT6

The tuning protection is another issue. Honestly, I dont understand why people expect to keep a driveline warranty after making major mods. Its a unique phenomenon to BMW it seems, no car I've owned previously have owners thought like that. You gotta pay to play, and if you break it, you buy it. Quite frankly, if you want BMW to warranty the car, leave it the way they designed it. I dont understand the whole warranty thing. My biggest concern with v81 is throwing limps. I'm not going to ask my dealer to foot the bill when my turbos eventually go after running them much harder than MHI reccomenss.

Erm, amen to that, or something to that effect.

I'm assuming that you have to declare mods for insurance purposes also? Or is that another one that people just forget about?

[E82tt6]

Originally Posted by MattD

Erm, amen to that, or something to that effect.

I'm assuming that you have to declare mods for insurance purposes also? Or is that another one that people just forget about?

Depend on the company. Personally, I only have to if I want their value factored in to the value of the car in the event of a total loss, or damage due to accident/theft/fire/etc. I dont believe all insurance companies have the same policy in this regard.

[itsthechuck]

Not to get off topic but i've had insurance companies say they would not insure me with the mods done to my car, in this case an R32 with a stage 2 VF blower on it. Weak.

[gargoyal]

Originally Posted by E82TT6

The tuning protection is another issue. Honestly, I dont understand why people expect to keep a driveline warranty after making major mods. Its a unique phenomenon to BMW it seems, no car I've owned previously have owners thought like that. You gotta pay to play, and if you break it, you buy it. Quite frankly, if you want BMW to warranty the car, leave it the way they designed it. I dont understand the whole warranty thing. My biggest concern with v81 is throwing limps. I'm not going to ask my dealer to foot the bill when my turbos eventually go after running them much harder than MHI reccomenss.

This is not unique to the BMW world. This happens every time a new easy to mod car comes out. Cars like this bring people in to the tuner scene that have no idea what they are doing to their cars or the risks that they are taking. They just see plug in or bolt on a part and add horse power. Most of the time they have no idea of the risks or responsibility they are taking on. They end up learning the hard way when their car’s engines grenades out.

The people who piss me off are the fools that know better, but try to play cat and mouse with the dealers because they are too spineless to take responsibility. What they do is criminal and makes is harder for legitimate tuners to make legitimate claims.

[ChrisK]

Did anyone have v30 installed?

[GQ 135i]

I'm with gargoyal on this. Now I am new to the boards and I'm see ppl push rediculous boost out on these little turbo. End up costing them 26k(e90forum) of damage and are pissed BMW wouldn't warrenty them for there tunes weather it's SSTT, JB2, JB2H, Exede, Procede V1.47 or whatever.

[aus]

The guy who blew his engine for $26k was not pissed at BMW at all. He knew he blew his engine from his mods.

And many people have had V30 installed on E90 and felt no changes. There were even some threads saying they took V30 off the computer due to problems.

[Mad Dragon]

Who took V30 off?

[WhiteOne]

I picked my car up in Munich on July 1st. I did not check to see which program it has. It has no lag. None. Zilch.
It pulls from just off idle. It just pulls harder the more you rev it.
Put 1513 miles on it. I will check the program when it gets here.

[Swift135]

Originally Posted by itsthechuck

Not to get off topic but i've had insurance companies say they would not insure me with the mods done to my car, in this case an R32 with a stage 2 VF blower on it. Weak.

Exactly, a friend of mine had his STi insured fully and crashed it (destroyed) and the insurance would not pay a cent to him when the car was examined and found it didn't have the standard factory turbo. He got legal advice and was told he could spend double what the car was worth on legal fee and probably end up with nothing. If you mod your car,even software you have to disclose it to the insurance company or look out if you want to make a claim. At least thats how it is in Australia.

[BMW Dreamer]

I called a salesman a few days ago and asked about the turbo lag issue. He admitted the newer 08's do have a lag problem from the new program. He also said early 08's had no lag. BMW is working on this problem and should have a fix in 2-3 months.

I also asked about HP fuel pump problems, he said that problem has been taken care of. I DON'T THINK SO. But it is less of a problem. In time maybe they will SOLVE the problems.


Personally I won't buy a 135i UNTIL this lag issue is solved 100%.

As for the HP fuel pump problems, I just HOPE I don't get a bad one, but warranty will take care of that. Just hope I don't need 2 or 3 replaced like I have read happens.

[GQ 135i]

Originally Posted by aus

The guy who blew his engine for $26k was not pissed at BMW at all. He knew he blew his engine from his mods.

He's not the first one who blow his motor, that's all I am saying

[Steve135i]

Originally Posted by Jeff1962

I called a salesman a few days ago and asked about the turbo lag issue. He admitted the newer 08's do have a lag problem from the new program. He also said early 08's had no lag. BMW is working on this problem and should have a fix in 2-3 months.

I also asked about HP fuel pump problems, he said that problem has been taken care of. I DON'T THINK SO. But it is less of a problem. In time maybe they will SOLVE the problems.


Personally I won't buy a 135i UNTIL this lag issue is solved 100%.

As for the HP fuel pump problems, I just HOPE I don't get a bad one, but warranty will take care of that. Just hope I don't need 2 or 3 replaced like I have read happens.

I will also wait until they fix the lag under 3,000rpm's. I am saving up to get an 09 next spring. I hope its back to normal by then.

I have no intentions on modding, just want it to be the way they were in March 08 when they came out.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Steve135i

I have no intentions on modding, just want it to be the way they were in March 08 when they came out.

+1

I just want the car that I thought I was ordering--what I have is NOT what I test drove.

The lag wasn't that noticeable to me until I drove a buddy's 2007 335--which had no lag at all--and then got back in my car and could not believe the difference below 3K RPM.....

Now I am at the point where modding seems almost required--because the car is not functioning at all like it was advertised....very frustrating....

[gargoyal]

If you are getting in a manual I don't think it is that big of a deal. it’s not really what I wouldn't call turbo lag. The boost is building up slower. It doesn’t kick in like traditional turbo lag. I feel the difference under 2200-2400 RMPs. I have change my driving habits a little from a cold stop and I don’t notice it any more (engage at 1000-1200 RPM and a heavier foot). I spend so little time under 2200 it is a non issue for me.

It may be a little more annoying for the step owners and light footed drivers.

Note : from my observations (butt dyno, no boost gage) . it is more than RPMs it also has to do with the throttle too. The lighter I am on the gas pedal the more I notice the issues. (up to 3000 rpms) . the heavier footed I am the less I notice it ( only noticeably under 2200-2400) .

[Omega Man]

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[crzy4135i]

Originally Posted by Omega Man

Somewhere in the midwest several bridges are currently under repair. Homeless trolls spotted in the vicinity. Approach with extreme caution and definitely DO NOT FEED THEM.

Yea, I still feel like these guys are talking about a car MUCH different than the one I own. My 135i runs so smooth I'm not sure I could ask BMW for software different from what I have. Of course, I would ask for more hp/tq but that's different. I would love to ride in one of the allegedly laggy cars.

[Mad Dragon]

Originally Posted by Jeff1962

I called a salesman

That was your first mistake...:wink:

[Steve135i]

Originally Posted by Mad Dragon

That was your first mistake...:wink:

When a went to a dealer last week I also talked to a salesman and he also said the first 135i's back in march had no lag. The new ones do. He said BMW is working on a fix now. I see no reason not to believe an honest salesman. ???

[InsaneSkippy]

Originally Posted by Steve135i

I see no reason not to believe an honest salesman. ???

If there even is such a thing

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Steve135i

When a went to a dealer last week I also talked to a salesman and he also said the first 135i's back in march had no lag. The new ones do. He said BMW is working on a fix now. I see no reason not to believe an honest salesman. ???

I agree, but most are BS artist, and they only tell you what you want to hear in most cases.

[thunder135]

My 135 is a Feb 08 build with a V80 ECU.

How can I check to see if I have 29.2 installed ?

How does the "lag" feel - What should I be looking for ?

Thunder135