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There’s plenty of existing infrastructure to support EVs at my local tracks. Supercharger stations within 15 minute drives, 240V outlets, etc. I typically never fill up at the track, so I don’t see what the big deal is. The engineer’s Model 3 that got driven like a village bike, her car held up just fine despite being out in multiple sessions each day. She just plugs it into a 240v outlet commonly available at our local tracks for RVs, and only had to hit the Supercharging station once more to make it through the day. As for the lack of vroom vroom sound, I’ve driven FWD “sport” sedans on track that makes plenty of vroom vroom sounds. Between the heavy understeer and lack of the ability to use the throttle to overwhelm the rear tires, and the lack of vroom vroom sound, I’d take the lack of vroom vroom. I’m just saying there are far worse cars to take to the track. Just like there are far BETTER cars to take to the track, unless you’re in a Lotus Exige S or GTx car or McLaren. The Tesla isn’t going to supplant those for a long time. But out of all available EVs, it’s actually pretty damn good. Good enough to churn some pretty good lap times with some good tires. The fact it doesn’t make glorious combustion noise on track isn’t going to stop me from enjoying it. And mechanically it is superior to a vast majority of ICE cars on the market today on track. Unless you step up into the M cars, P cars, and AMGs and beyond, or the answer to all “which car should I get for track” questions, there’s not many cars on the market today that will out perform a Performance Model 3 on track TBH. Not for the low $56K price point.
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2) Not sure what performance FF sedan you are driving, but if you are trying to use power to overwhelm the rear tires in a FF you are driving it very wrong. May not be your cup of tea, but claiming that is your yardstick for performance driving is the ability to overwhelm the rear tires then perhaps you misjudged it because you have driven it wrong. 3) And absolutely nothing wrong with the 3 on the track, I am sure technologically it is superior to many cars that you can get for 56k USD new or used today, and only going to get better. But my counter argument is that not everyone gets fun from doing the fastest lap times. Many just enjoy the lap in whatever claptrap they bring. You can say that a track car should be the fastest car available, I argue that unless you are time attacking, there no such thing as 'best track car', empirically yes, but reality is that the best track car is just whatever that gets you that 'fun' from track, at a price you can afford, and if that's driving a 56k electric car then more power to you. Look, this has gotten very off topic....
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Also lap times are a great way to gauge performance but not how much fun the car is. I'll drive a ND Miata, or a BRZ , or a Camaro, Mustang, and many other cars that are less than that price point that either turn times in the range of the Tesla S, or not that far off. On a tight track like Thompson or NHMS, the Tesla's power would be wasted and the brakes would overheat quickly, most performance street tires would get greasy and on, and on and on...Here's where a properly balanced ICE car shines and is far more fun to toss around than a 4000 lb battery. Also, what happens when a Tesla breaks down? There service Center network is thin : https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/se...nited%20States Also client stories regarding service issues and parts availability are not good. I won't own one, lease one, or even sit in one. The dash looks like George Jetson's idea of modern and the fit and finish sucks. Finally, I have yet to see a single Tesla at any HPDE's I've instructed at. If I was assigned a student with one, I would request another student. YMMV, HAZMAT 2020 M2C
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None of my local tracks have a fast charger anywhere near them. Plus you park your car in the middle of a paved lot, or by the grass with no infrastructure around.
Plus I would go as far as saying that I don't want high voltage infrastructure at the tracks for 2 reasons: 1) No EV car today is worth a damn on a track 2) The cost for running all that copper, transformers and charging stations will simply be passed down to track day enthusiasts. And screw that. I learned to drive on track in a C5 Z06, then a '14 GT Mustang with a solid rear axle. Then I've continued to hone my skills in the M2 (which is way easier to drive fast). And I will continue to hone my skill in other, hopefully even more capable ICE cars. A Camaro 1LE might be next for be before they disappear. P.S. Save the Manuals. I'd much rather be 1s per lap slower, while pulling off perfect heal-and-toe downshifts, then be quicker in a car with no soul.
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It would be madness to buy a new car right now with WFH continuing indefinitely
Esp. considering paid-for M car under 1000 miles Esp. considering EV tech will only improve in next 5-8 years. It would be like buying a computer and never unboxing it, and while it sits, all the performance improvements come at lower prices. so the sanity of it all is questionable. Not to mention battery degradation of EV's over time. No thanks A new car (any car; ICE or EV) would have to be so overwhelmingly compelling that it would have to make me want to sell the E92. ... so that would have to be a pretty spectacular combination of styling, performance and emotional attraction. Tesla does NOT check those boxes
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I think that if you want an affordable electric car Tesla is the way to go. A key reason is the charging infrastructure. It is a huge advantage, and it’s why I think Tesla is going to dominate for at least the near future.
I have test driven them and they are impressive even with their flaws. They are faster than ICE cars with instant torque. The Taycan is also nice but just too expensive for most people. That all said, I recently bought a Toyota Prius Prime as a spare car instead. It was half the cost of the Tesla, works as an all electric or a hybrid, and has a 660 mile range. Last edited by Machinebuilder; 01-09-2021 at 06:45 PM.. |
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With our current jobs the number of trips per year where we go over 200 miles is really small. I agree with you on cars like the Prius, if the goal is affordable transportation, with close to zero travel hassles and drastically cutting fuel usage its hard to beat cars like the Prius.
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More than likely never will I buy a Tesla. I'll buy an electric car when I HAVE to, but until then, IC with a manual trans for me.
Plus, I'll more than likely buy from a real car manufacturer rather than Tesla. A neighbor of mine just got rid of his Tesla and got a new X5. He "liked" the Tesla, but was tired of the poor quality.
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VW/Audi is catching up to Tesla and there will soon be a lot more options -
Volkswagen (VLKAF) sold 231,600 battery electric vehicles in 2020, according to figures published by the company on Wednesday. While that's still less than half the number of sales Tesla (TSLA) made, it represents an increase of 214% on the previous year and shows Germany's huge auto industry is beginning to mount a challenge to the leader in electric cars. Volkswagen has said it plans to invest €35 billion ($43 billion) in electric vehicles by 2025, and the sales figures for 2020 suggest that customers are beginning to respond. The manufacturing giant intends to launch roughly 70 pure electric models by 2030 as it races to catch up with Tesla. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/busin...ars/index.html
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