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10-01-2022, 07:19 PM | #221 |
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He's probably referring to the inference about what EVs are going to do with major natural disasters and charging. This was brought up with the earlier posts from Hurricane Ian and people evacuating. RM7 is retorting about the same power outage affecting gas pumps.
But a backup generator at gas stations would easily solve any power outage problems and keep the pumps working. |
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...35-11664487387 https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/01...-says-analyst/ https://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc...9-bd21bc41ca40 https://www.nj.com/opinion/2022/09/n...editorial.html This is all happening already, in 2022. Soon to be 12 years away from "the gas ban". I'm not sure what you're arguing. That they're going to reverse the ban and get rid of all the EV's? They're not. They are moving foward with this no matter what anyone says.
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10-01-2022, 08:22 PM | #224 |
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Exactly, another "environmental mandate" that got pared back, eliminated, or overruled.
10 years ago, this was law. Now it is not. This law in my link lasted about ~5 years. Then when they tried to figure out how to make it happen, they realized they couldn't. How many years will this law last ? There are many, many examples of this sort of thing happening going back decades. Many (myself included) think this 2035 EV mandate will get pared backs, highly altered or possibly eliminated. In part because I think it's a setup for failure of critical infrastructure systems, and in part because I have observed our history and use it in context when I seen our "futures" predicted. Last edited by chad86tsi; 10-01-2022 at 09:16 PM.. |
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That is totally different than the mandates set in place today lol. Wtf? You're talking about 10 years ago when tesla was the runaway show in terms of EV's. Now every single car maker as an EV(s) in their fleet. There was no 2035 ban set in place. There was no state implementing a "sale on new gas cars" ban. I can't see how the article you posted has any relevance to what is going on today. The only thing we don't know yet is the actual 2035 date. If the next person in office moves this date, it could be sooner, or it could be farther. But eliminated? lol That's a pipe dream for many. I do commend your passion to not wanting EV's to happen. I get it. But it's going to happen dude. Like just accept it already. You don't have to buy one. You don't have to love it. When 2035 comes, and you can't go to your favorite car maker showroom (I actually believe the dealership experience will change by then anyway and you can just buy from your house), you won't be able to drive away in an awesome twin turbo I6 or V8, or whatever engine you like in your car, home. You'll have to settle for the used market filled with lots of amazing ICE toys. 12 years is far away from now so you have time. But at the same time 12 years is really not that far away lol
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Here's another armchair expert weighing in
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Now there's discontinuation of iconic ICE monsters, the intro of EV's to replace it and a whole of EV's already in production with more on the way. The issue with your argument is that the weight is going towards EV and less on ICE. As time moves foward this will be more apparent. You're not seeing this because it's happening in real time. Let's revisit this thread in 1 year increments. Quote:
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That's why i said the only thing we don't know is the actual date. Could be pushed farther but technology can catch up and it might be sooner. We don't know. But you're implying one day you'll wake up, open up the news and read, "EV's are being pushed back, ICE is staying for another 50 years". That won't happen.
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Like i said you guys are judging from the sidelines in real time. You can't see the evolution, the improvements, and whatever corrections needed to be made. You're acting like i'm saying it's perfect now. It's not. We all know this. 12 years is what we have. If they put a 2035 ban, that means they're confident by 2035 we'll all be ready. We don't know if this date is set in stone or not. The next person in office could very well change this. Could be sooner, could be later. What i'm saying is that THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
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Ok that i agree with. It is wrong they want to put some type of date. I already said that they should just let this technology transition naturally. That's why i said i don't like politics and don't care for it. I just so happen to like EV's so whatever they said about it happening, meaning the end of ICE, i guess it is what it is. I'm 40 so by the time i'm in my 50's, and new ICE is definitely over, so be it. I still have a used market.
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90% of the people who drive cars use their cars for appliances. We're automotive enthusiasts trying not to let go what we currently know/have. That 90% does not care about that. They literally buy cars like people buy phones. You use, abuse, see a new model come out, then we go for that new model.
If they can charge their car in the convenience of typical gas station trip, that's the car they'll buy. Could be an EV. If it ran on donkey piss, they'd get that car too, if it's time convenient. The growth of EV purchases are only proof that people are making this move already. And we're still "far away" from the 2035 ban. As battery technology improves, which it will, and is right now as i'm typing, so will charging, thus those 90% of those people willing to make the transition. |
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Run for presidency and make a difference. I don't give 2 shits about how it's going to work, will it work, will it affect the environment, the grid, the people, the manufacturers or any of that bullshit. I like the EV i got and i like the idea. The idea of the fast growing rate of people buying EV's are proof people are on the same page. Obviously you'll have your doubters, like yourself. BUT AGAIN WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? Not a damn fucking thing. Accept it already. You're acting like you have the answer. You don't. ANd if you did, you can't do shit about it to change what's to come. Now which EV are you going to buy in the future? |
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