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07-26-2007, 12:58 PM | #243 |
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Yeah, but still... Although, it comes complete whereas a quaife unit would need to be installed and such :iono:
So, looks like it'll be Nav with Leatherette and LSD or Boston Leather, no Nav and LSD
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07-26-2007, 01:29 PM | #244 |
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You nailed it man!!! I'll go out on a limb and say that the average bmw 3 series has at least $3,000 in options. The other series are worse!!
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07-26-2007, 01:39 PM | #245 |
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And that's probably where BMW is making a lot of their profit. The metallic paint premium seems a little silly at times, but whenever I get bummed by BMW's option pricing I just check out Porsche's which is much worse. :eyebulge:
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07-26-2007, 01:44 PM | #246 |
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At least I wont have to worry about that.. Im sold on AW. But...... I will want leather, and possibly NAV, Premium sound, cold weather (for heated seats), and the Sport package (IFFFFF its not standard as suspected).
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Somehow, I doubt that I will be able to skip all the options. Hopefully I can avoid getting everything though. :iono: |
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07-27-2007, 01:23 PM | #249 |
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I’ve never paid MSRP for a car and never will. If I can’t get a car for invoice + or – a few hundred I won’t buy it. Luckily I’m not in the market for a number of years so they will have the bugs worked out and invoice or below should be easy.
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07-29-2007, 03:08 AM | #252 |
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What BMW Workers Will Pay to Get the 135i
According to this month's BMW newspaper, available at the factory gates, the price for BMW employees of the 135i is €30458.90, versus the list price of €38950.00 (a 21.8% price break). Both prices include the 19% tax.
It should be a fair assumption that BMW would not sell this car in the United States, or anywhere else, for less than what employees pay for it. Also take into consideration the shipping costs from Leipzig, through Bremerhaven to the respective local ports, and from there to the dealer lot. An unknown factor is the currency conversion rate. This past week the $/€ rate went as high as 1.385. At that rate BMW workers in Germany pay $35450 before the 19% tax is applied. Analysts have generally predicted $/€ conversion rates beyond 1.4 this year. If one converts the current Euro to the former German DM, then 1.4 would be the maximum previously existing $/€ ratio vis a vis Germany -- that record was set back in the second half of 1992. At a 1.4 ratio the BMW worker price would translate to $35834. Bearing in mind the postulated principle of not selling the car for less than what the BMW employee gets it for, and taking into account shipping charges and the likelihood of further dollar currency depreciation, then the absolutely lowest conceivable theoretical price would be $36K, though I'm sure it will be somewaht higher than that. In this context, even something like $38950 would have to be considered an absolute bargain and might still be too low, for the price in Germany for everyone else is exactly this number in Euros. Without the 19% tax, this translates to $45333 at the 1.385 conversion rate. Since the 135i will not be available in the US until next spring, BMW will likely not announce a final price for many more months. My guess is that the final price flashed on the advertising screens will be something like $39950 plus dealer destination charges (plus local sales tax). |
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07-29-2007, 05:18 AM | #253 | |
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I would be curious to see what price was calculated if you did the same conversion on a 335i coupe starting from the price that BMW workers paid. Anyway, I'm still hopeful for a price of under $30K for the 128i and mid the $30s for the 135i. |
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07-29-2007, 07:09 AM | #254 |
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Great theory, but it doesn't fly. Taking the BMW employee price as the lowest number is just the wrong tactic.
Conversion table dollar to Euro + discounting the 19% tax doesn't work for other BMW models- why should it for the 1-er? Susanne Klatten was born Susanne Hanna Ursula Quandt on 28 April 1962 in Bad Homburg in Germany. She is the daughter of Herbert Quandt and Johanna Quandt and as a result the richest woman in Germany. Susanne Klatten gained a degree in business finance and then did a course in marketing and management at the University of Buckingham, followed by an MBA in Lausanne specialising in advertising. Her first practical business experience was in London with Dresdner Bank, then with the Munich branch of management consultants McKinsey and with the bank Reuschel & Co. She often worked incognito under the name Susanne Kant. BMW's are sold in the U.S. at below the price customers have to pay in many other countries. BMW has various financial leverages in place to account for the price discrepancy. N/A profits - US/Candian dollars (N/A profits) aren't converted into Euros, rather they are passed through BMW-friendly Swiss and German banks and re-invested in various world-wide financial ventures. Scott 26 has written about this extensively. You can pm him thru the site. He has mentioned before that the Quandt family ( majority stockholders of BMW) has two bank presidents on its board-of-directors....both aligned with the Quandt/Klatten voting bloc. Bottomline....why would BMW directly convert dollars to euros and suffer financial losses? Answer....they don't. I expect the 135 to come in a tad under 35k and the 128 at 28k... a bargain that might be fleeting. |
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07-29-2007, 08:19 AM | #255 |
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If the Fed raises interest rates a point and a half - the value of the dollar will come storming back. Of course, a mild recession will kick in and those of us thinking we're going to buy this Bavarian hot-rod will be looking for employment instead.
Ah the mysteries of international finance. ; -) |
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BMW dealers do not operate with a holdback percentage like many other auto manufacturers. In addition, Munich rarely offers them rebates or marketing assistance, which could possibly result in a below-invoice sale still creating dealer profit. Therefore, you will almost never see a BMW sold for invoice or under invoice price, because there is no profit potential for the dealer or salesperson.
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07-29-2007, 10:53 AM | #258 |
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This is the number I watch...for comparison's sake.
$35,300 base msrp on the 328 coupe. BMW/USA also has a special lease on this - Vehicles registered outside of N.Y. $419 First month's payment $2,500 Down payment $450 Security deposit $3,369 Cash due at signing |
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07-29-2007, 08:05 PM | #260 |
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As long as its under 30K loaded with options, BMW will be selling these 1 series like hot cakes! More realistically, mid 30K's when the dust has settled.
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07-30-2007, 06:47 AM | #262 |
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I'm stationed here in Germany (military) and Pentagon estimates a starting price for the 128i to be 25k and the 135i to be 31k. These are special military prices. I would automatically add on at leat 3k to these and you will get a realistic ballpark figure of what stateside folk would be paying.
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07-30-2007, 10:21 PM | #264 |
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As I have said before, 34,000 is perfectly reasonable. 36 isnt. I was reading an article about the upcoming CTS and it dawned on me: the new CTS with a direct-injection engine will start at around 36 grand. That car comes with more horsepower (less torque...), a six-speed gearbox, and a limited-slip differential. So why should the smaller 135i cost any more, if not significantly less?
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