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Its not a time value of money problem where you'd discount with a cost of funds and use the # of years as an input b/c of the potential for deflationary pressures and inconsistent movements....the numbers are extrapolated from a time series regression where you need to use t, t-1, t-2, etc. and input real CPI figures from the specific years associated with the various T periods. |
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01-11-2011, 06:41 PM | #245 |
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I guess I will be holding on to my 335i a while longer, or just get an S4. Damn that price is HIGH for the 1M!!!
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Per Bimmerfile interview with Matthew Russell (M brand manager in US), he expects the ED pricing discount to be inline with other 1 Series and M cars. http://www.bimmerfile.com/2011/01/11...ell/#more-9924 ...and 6FL (USB-iPod) is going to b e available as standalone option for US!! |
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01-11-2011, 07:33 PM | #248 |
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I drove a Mustang GT with the Brembo brake package. The suspension is so stiff that it is miserable car to drive on anything but a perfectly flat road. It's amazing how the automotive press manages to gloss over this little problem. It is also a bit too easy to kick the rear end out of control. Not my idea of a daily drive.
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01-11-2011, 07:36 PM | #249 |
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Crazy to think that less 2 years ago I could have bought a brand new M3 that was well equipped for less than the base price of the 1M.
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I do have a question on that. If they are not allocated, does that mean an ED customer's order could/would be filled before an allocated order from the same dealership? |
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01-11-2011, 08:15 PM | #251 | |
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01-11-2011, 08:18 PM | #252 | |
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Beautiful, that seals it for me. European delivered Alpine White with iPod/USB and maybe Bluetooth. As for the whole pricing question I think 47K is on the upper end of the expected range and that probably has to do with the buzz the car has generated, but that should not be a shocker for all of us who have been following the painfully long launch of this car. Also 47K is still several thousand dollars below the M3 which was they wanted. As he says on the interview this is the cheapest M car ever built (adjusted for inflation). I do believe there seems to be one inconsistency in terms of the original intent and the execution: this is supposed to be the M car for a more mass market audience, yet by limiting production they had turned it into a sort of special edition that could result in prices going up (assuming a true demand supply driven market that could drive prices above MSRP - hopefully not the case), this goes against the idea of this being the entry level M car. I wonder how many of these are going to end up in the hands of M collectors or current or former M3 owners as opposed to newcomers to the M world. |
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01-11-2011, 09:25 PM | #253 |
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From C&D's 2011 Lightning Lap: "The Z06 Corvette was 5.3 seconds quicker than the Grand Sport from our last Lightning Lap and shaved 4.7 seconds off the Z06’s time from the 2007 event. It was also quicker than the Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV we ran last year and the breathtaking Ferrari 430 Scuderia at VIR in 2008, cars that are vastly more expensive. And the Vette felt as if it could run fast, repeatable laps all day long."
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01-11-2011, 10:13 PM | #255 | |
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So how did they come up with 0% real income gain over a whopping 20 year period of efficiency gains and positive real GDP growth? First, unemployment plays a role. At 10% the US unemployment rate is crippling and far higher than in years past. Especially amongst the middle class (those folks targeted by the 1M) and young professionals (in the 18 to 24 age group unemployment clipped the 24% mark in 2010). As such, the numbers reflect 1 less income per 20 folks surveyed than over a more normalized 4% to 5% unemployment - assuming all else equal that factor alone absorbs a great deal of positive momentum. Demographic changes also play a part. Boomers are high earners and, with improved technology and education, tend to require fewer employees to replicate their output when they exit the workforce. As corporations make cuts, they offer early retirement packages to the experienced, high earning boomers. There is also an increasing attrition associated with planned retirements. Those experienced (but inefficient from a wage to output perspective) folks leave the work force or move to more "relaxing" occupations typically accompanied by lower earnings. The young "fresh" minds are not getting jobs (see the 18 to 24 unemployment referenced above). The combined result is a significant drop in non-farm payrolls and, as such, a decline in real earnings outside of the contribution from increased unemployment. So I'm sticking with CPI even though part of the growth is driven by increased goods included in the bucket (for example technology items such as cellular phones that are considered virtual necessity today when no such product existed for the average American 30 years ago). |
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People who make median income do not buy new BMW's, unless they are planning on eating nothing but PB&J until the lease runs out. BMW buyers have done better than the average, that is why they can have a better than the average car.
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If some people are comparing this to a Mustang then why not a Camaro or a 370Z or a Caymen or a TT or a... oh wait.
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370Z is a SPORTS CAR (no rear seat) Cayman (see 370Z) TT (see 370Z) Why compare to Mustang Boss 302? I guess just because the Boss interests me, so it is another car I'm checking out. Both mid-$40k range, both a special/limited model, both offer fantastic performance for the price, both have small, cheap interiors, lots of power and handling, big brakes and tires. Ideally, if I shop with my head instead of my heart, I'll buy neither. Buying a new car is close to as stupid as you can be with your money. So, we'll see ...
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But I am going to travel. And I am going to buy a new car. And I will save my money in other ways. Because life is short. |
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