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For all of you people who say its overpriced you are not correct. The regualr 135i now base is 40k. The M is only 7k more which is more than fair. Also if you wanted it to be 43-45 and its 47k you should still be able to afford the car. If you can spend 43-45k on a car you can spend 47k and if you cant you should be buying a 35-37k car to begin with. Everyone is just using this as an excuse to not buy the car. As usual on the forums you have tons of people saying "I am going to get the 1M as my next car, its going to be awesome blah blah blah" and then when the time comes they find a reaosn not to buy it.
I am just so tired of everyone saying they are going to do this and this when they know they arent. Money talks and bs walks. Lastly 47k is too much but a set of 4k+ wheels is not too much? 1500 euro headlights not too much? 2k exhaust ok? 500-1000 intake ok? People make no sense to me sometimes. The majority of people here drop 2k in mods easy on their car but wont pay 2k in base price to get the car they supposedly want and told eveyone they would be getting when it comes out. Ah the beauty of the internet and forums.
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I tend to agree with you on some points...but I think some people are a little let down by the car, that's all. When the idea of an M in the 1er range was thrown out there, I think people generally hoped for more than was actually possible. I would assume that's why a lot of people who were really interested ~6 months ago may not be now... I would have really tried to get a 1M if the timing would have worked out on my 2008 135 turn in...but it didnt, and I fell into a great deal on a 2011 135 in December...so I jumped.... All in all, I don't know how anyone can say much either way, good or bad (except for looks) until they drive the car...and we know only 12 lucky individuals were given that opportunity...so it's wait and see time for the rest of us... I also think that $47K is completely reasonable. I remember the tons of threads and posts about everyone hoping for a sub-50K starting price in the last several months...I actually thought it would be higher than $47K...remember, from the beltline down, this car is basically an M3...and will be easily tunable...for $47K...not too shabby if you ask me...
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But I can.. Since I have indeed driven the damn thing! The 1M trumps the E9x easily in performance per dollar.. but yes... it's probably a good idea for many potential 1M buyers to cross shop an E9x M3, just as many also cross shop the 335... The buyers that lean towards a 335 vs a 135 are the same ones that would lean towards an E9x M3 over a 1M... they likely either want more creature comfort, or the V8... Those with a mind to take the car to the track more often than the street, will more than likely defer to the 1M. Speaking of hyperbole.... I'm sorry... you tried to say E92, and tossable in the same sentence... and while that's borderline acceptable.... saying that an E92 resists understeer 99% of the time.... please recalculate... or stop driving in a straight line... Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 01-14-2011 at 11:58 AM.. |
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I have to agree...I had 2 E92s before my 2 E82s...the 135 is much more tossable, at least to me...
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01-14-2011, 01:12 PM | #292 | |
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Let's put it that way - what stock BMW from the past 15 years do you think understeers less? (E36 generation forward). I don't have enough experience with the E30 platform (my 325i was a work in progress to put it mildly, and my friend's M3 wasn't stock). And to be fair, I've read your report of the 1M test drive and it was my impression that you weren't 100% sure of what it can do handling wise, due to adverse weather conditions.
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Ok, so what is the definition of tossable? So we can talk about the same thing.
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01-14-2011, 01:17 PM | #294 |
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E82 platform is more resistant to oversteer than E92 simply because it has a shorter wheelbase and less rotational mass. In that sense E92 is more tossable than E82 platform. Second both are pigs. I guess comes down to who wins lesser of the two.
Oversteer is only good for internet bragging rights. Since these cars spend most of their lives on the street, oversteer it almost useless. Name 3 situations on the street a driver will actually need oversteer. There is enough mechanical and electronic grip to get fast enough to get anyone in trouble in these modern sports lux cars. Most of the time I hear oversteer I hear accident in the same sentence. Understeer is the way to go.
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[QUOTE=adc;8689569]Are you comparing non-M E92's to the 135i? Don't be.
QUOTE] Why not? It is a more apples to apples comparison, no? The 135 is a non M...makes sense to me...
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It says $36,350 on the BMW USA website, so the net difference is $10,660...
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The new LCI 135 base price was announced with the price of the 1M--it is right under 40k....
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Well the 1M is a 2011 model, so shouldn't we compare it with 2011 135 prices?
The LCI 135 is a 2012 model year with normally optional features as standard now. That may account for the price increase. |
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135i + 7 grand = 1M 1M + 9 grand or so = M3 I still cannot understand why people rip on the 1M when 7 grand over a 135i gets you M3 chassis, brakes, etc. There is WAY more than 7 grand worth of improvements. Are people here ridiculous enough to expect a new engine AND new interior ON TOP of the chassis improvements for less than 7 grand? Comparing to a CPO M3 is also ridiculous since the 1M is NEW(you have no way of knowing how a CPO M3 was previously driven and treated) and has a longer warranty. apples to apples people... |
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Most of the time when people say the two don't compare is basically saying "I don't care, this is too complicated for me, I want to spend money to buy peace of mind." New = Used + Depreciation + Unknown abuse => Used = New - Depreciation - Unknown Abuse. If you can estimate unknown abused and discover Asked used price < Est. used price, then it's a great buy.
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To be fair, M3 Adjuster has driven the car and you have not. His opinion is based on driving the car, my impression is that since you have not, your opinion/comparison is based on ....... Last edited by M2BMW; 01-14-2011 at 09:30 PM.. |
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Agree with you on the placement of the 1m pricing being in the middle as well as its relative value. Since we are comparing apples, indeed 9k to an M3 from the 1M gets a four door and another couple K (making it a 12k jump) to go from 1m coupe to M3 coupe. |
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I don't see any problem with DMB comparing the e92 chassis vs the e82 chassis, when both are in non M form. That seems like a very valid comparison actually. |
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Price difference for 335i coupe and M3 is around 15,000 between the bases. We don't get a new engine or major interior adjustments so, 7k between the bases. Seems fair. If I was in the market for another 1, I would definitely jump for the 1M.
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Your video shows a guy driving in traffic. Hardly the place to display 'tossability' You may be confusing 'tossability' with stability. |
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