DISA Intake Manifold with Evolve Software Install/Review

Taskmaster · 12-17-2014, 06:10 PM

Go with Active.

Kgolf31 · 12-17-2014, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Go with Active.

Yea....

Kind of funny to see Evolve drop off the face of the Earth after cars started having issues with their Tune.

andrey_gta · 12-17-2014, 07:30 PM

Dunno guys, Im pretty happy with Evolve - the tune has opened up in urgency at every intake mod i did ( Ebox, and Rev hose)

Active surely does have an aggressive marketing push, tons of dynos and header development and has found a way to get conditional/full emissions status. All these things are recent developents though that weren't around in early 2013

its a good time to own an N52. even ESS is launching slowly their supercharger. In about a year we will see some Monsters with Charger, header, Disa and maybe even Camshafts

TheSt|G · 12-18-2014, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kgolf31

Yea....

Kind of funny to see Evolve drop off the face of the Earth after cars started having issues with their Tune.

Who had issues?

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Dunno guys, Im pretty happy with Evolve - the tune has opened up in urgency at every intake mod i did ( Ebox, and Rev hose)

Active surely does have an aggressive marketing push, tons of dynos and header development and has found a way to get conditional/full emissions status. All these things are recent developents though that weren't around in early 2013

its a good time to own an N52. even ESS is launching slowly their supercharger. In about a year we will see some Monsters with Charger, header, Disa and maybe even Camshafts

Likewise, and I'm not the only one.

Kgolf31 · 12-18-2014, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Who had issues?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ve+Tune+Issues

Taskmaster · 12-18-2014, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kgolf31

Yea....

Kind of funny to see Evolve drop off the face of the Earth after cars started having issues with their Tune.

No N51 tune, no official 3stage dynos, no support. And combine that with a price that is higher than AA, it's hard to find a compelling reason to chose them first.

TheSt|G · 12-18-2014, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kgolf31

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ve+Tune+Issues

You should read that thread, everyone on all sides of the community agreed he had a hardware issue. He didn't want to hear it.

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

No N51 tune, no official 3stage dynos, no support. And combine that with a price that is higher than AA, it's hard to find a compelling reason to chose them first.

How do you figure they have no 3 stage dyno? That was their first post...

Taskmaster · 12-18-2014, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

You should read that thread, everyone on all sides of the community agreed he had a hardware issue. He didn't want to hear it.

How do you figure they have no 3 stage dyno? That was their first post...

??

Taskmaster · 12-18-2014, 10:50 AM

I'll clarify - I don't know of any 128i/330i Evolve dynos. They did tune a 125i, which was massively detuned in the first place.

Obioban · 12-18-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I'll clarify - I don't know of any 128i/330i Evolve dynos. They did tune a 125i, which was massively detuned in the first place.

Your point is they don't have an in house before/after 128i dyno? Of course not-- the _28i wasn't sold in Europe, where they're located. They do have 125i's, so it makes sense that's what they posted. _25, _28, _30-- if they have the 3 stage disa, it shouldn't matter which you start with. They should all end at the same as place.

mmmusty · 12-18-2014, 11:25 AM

why active or turner... here was my reasoning for turners ECU; its turner motorsport 1, which i personally have had great experiences with and they great service. 2. its designed for the 3 stage intake manifold upgrade; they sell a kit that includes everything needed actually so i figured they know better.

why do you guys prefer active?

Dafttt · 12-18-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mmmusty

why active or turner... here was my reasoning for turners ECU; its turner motorsport 1, which i personally have had great experiences with and they great service. 2. its designed for the 3 stage intake manifold upgrade; they sell a kit that includes everything needed actually so i figured they know better.

why do you guys prefer active?

Isn't that just a rebadged AA tune..?

Taskmaster · 12-18-2014, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I'll clarify - I don't know of any 128i/330i Evolve dynos. They did tune a 125i, which was massively detuned in the first place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obioban

Your point is they don't have an in house before/after 128i dyno? Of course not-- the _28i wasn't sold in Europe, where they're located. They do have 125i's, so it makes sense that's what they posted. _25, _28, _30-- if they have the 3 stage disa, it shouldn't matter which you start with. They should all end at the same as place.

Because Active is the ONLY tuner who has continually posted MULTIPLE dynographs and support for multiple configurations. AA also holds the record for the most powerful manifold only/ FBO N52 bar none.

Combine that with a lower price point, it's hard case to argue against.

631twentyeighteye · 12-18-2014, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmmusty

why active or turner... here was my reasoning for turners ECU; its turner motorsport 1, which i personally have had great experiences with and they great service. 2. its designed for the 3 stage intake manifold upgrade; they sell a kit that includes everything needed actually so i figured they know better.

why do you guys prefer active?

You bought an Active Autowerke tune.

I'm happy with AA, but i agree that the issue was hardware related and not software related.

mmmusty · 12-18-2014, 12:06 PM

I haven't bought anything yet, that's why I was asking the experts so to speak, I'm not familiar with tunes at all.. That was just my logic for going with turners. if I understand this correctly; I'd be getting the same tune going with either turners or active... So it's about which is less expensive only at this point

chris82 · 12-18-2014, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I'll clarify - I don't know of any 128i/330i Evolve dynos. They did tune a 125i, which was massively detuned in the first place.

Yea well they're based in Europe where the 128i was not sold. ST|G has the evolve tune on his 128i with headers and 3 stage manifold, he has dyno graphs as well for that.

chris82 · 12-18-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mmmusty

I haven't bought anything yet, that's why I was asking the experts so to speak, I'm not familiar with tunes at all.. That was just my logic for going with turners. if I understand this correctly; I'd be getting the same tune going with either turners or active... So it's about which is less expensive only at this point

Yea, you can't go wrong with Active, great company and products. Their tunes produce some really excellent numbers!

Dafttt · 12-18-2014, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmmusty

I haven't bought anything yet, that's why I was asking the experts so to speak, I'm not familiar with tunes at all.. That was just my logic for going with turners. if I understand this correctly; I'd be getting the same tune going with either turners or active... So it's about which is less expensive only at this point

Exactly. Turner sells a bundled package - you get the AA software (thanks for the clarification twentyeighteye!) and a brand new manifold. It's expensive, and I think most here will echo that you're better off sourcing a used manifold and buying directly from AA, saving you hundreds.

Ignore this petty argument between posts.

MarkkyyMan · 12-18-2014, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

You should read that thread, everyone on all sides of the community agreed he had a hardware issue. He didn't want to hear it.

How do you figure they have no 3 stage dyno? That was their first post...

For the Record:

After 9 months of failed attempts to tune my car and awful customer service, yes I did have primary 02 issues. If you READ the thread you will see I stated that. I also stated the fact that the sensors failed was due to Evolves awful attempts to tune my car resulting in it running rich. At least 4 of the tunes I received from them didn't even allow my car to start.. Quality I know.

They refused a refund, I went with A. A. & haven't looked back.

Why didn't I give them another shot again many asked. A company that is that clueless after 9 months of failed attempts and me informing them that the tune is running rich while also showing them data(see original thread) doesn't deserve one.

mmmusty · 12-27-2014, 09:53 AM

Hi guys, happy holidays, I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I finished doing the intake manifold swap and I've run into a check engine light and a sputtering engine, with loss of power, intermittent power (consistent throttle leads to burst of power at times) . Seems like the car is misfiring.

Now here's the background info: when we did the swap, the oil separator lines from my car (they are TWO of the annoying squeeze and pull kind) while the 3stage manifold has only one oil separator connection, so we sealed of the extra one coming from the car itself based on the best info we could find and some common sense since our cars already have the oil separator built in. During the process since none of us thought about reconnecting the fuel line after removing the intake, the car would shoot bursts of gasoline that some went into the spark plugs.

I haven't gotten a tune yet so I wanted to see if the check engine light and the issues attributed to it are caused by the spark plugs having gas, the car not having the tune yet or something else entirely, perhaps the oil separator or something entirely different we did wrong. I have not had a chance to pull codes yet, I also figured it could just be due to the spark plugs and the gas needs to evaporate.

Any input is greatly appreciated, do I need a tune just for the car to even behave normal because perhaps the valves are either open or closed or should the car run normal without a tune still?

Apologies, I'm writing this on my phone since I'm away until Monday

Solo_M_Tech · 12-27-2014, 10:34 AM

It will run just fine without a tune. Something went wrong with the install and too me it sounds like a vacuum leak.

mmmusty · 12-27-2014, 10:52 AM

What do you think about the plugging and sealing off one of the oil air separator hoses; What did you do about those two hoses coming from the car, another thread had said to seal one off?

And what I failed to mention is that the car ran fine all the way home, even seemed smoother despite the check engine light... So I thought maybe tieing the ignition of and on may clear it, I did and that's when it ran like garbage... Still a vacuum leak you think? If so, any ideas where brother. Thank you btw

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andrey_gta Brigadier General 316 Rep 4,040 Posts Drives: 130i coupé ;) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Bimmerpost iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 128i [10.00]	Dunno guys, Im pretty happy with Evolve - the tune has opened up in urgency at every intake mod i did ( Ebox, and Rev hose) Active surely does have an aggressive marketing push, tons of dynos and header development and has found a way to get conditional/full emissions status. All these things are recent developents though that weren't around in early 2013 its a good time to own an N52. even ESS is launching slowly their supercharger. In about a year we will see some Monsters with Charger, header, Disa and maybe even Camshafts __________________ 128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is
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mmmusty Private First Class 26 Rep 144 Posts Drives: 2008 alpine white 128i Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (1)	I haven't bought anything yet, that's why I was asking the experts so to speak, I'm not familiar with tunes at all.. That was just my logic for going with turners. if I understand this correctly; I'd be getting the same tune going with either turners or active... So it's about which is less expensive only at this point
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mmmusty Private First Class 26 Rep 144 Posts Drives: 2008 alpine white 128i Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (1)	Hi guys, happy holidays, I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I finished doing the intake manifold swap and I've run into a check engine light and a sputtering engine, with loss of power, intermittent power (consistent throttle leads to burst of power at times) . Seems like the car is misfiring. Now here's the background info: when we did the swap, the oil separator lines from my car (they are TWO of the annoying squeeze and pull kind) while the 3stage manifold has only one oil separator connection, so we sealed of the extra one coming from the car itself based on the best info we could find and some common sense since our cars already have the oil separator built in. During the process since none of us thought about reconnecting the fuel line after removing the intake, the car would shoot bursts of gasoline that some went into the spark plugs. I haven't gotten a tune yet so I wanted to see if the check engine light and the issues attributed to it are caused by the spark plugs having gas, the car not having the tune yet or something else entirely, perhaps the oil separator or something entirely different we did wrong. I have not had a chance to pull codes yet, I also figured it could just be due to the spark plugs and the gas needs to evaporate. Any input is greatly appreciated, do I need a tune just for the car to even behave normal because perhaps the valves are either open or closed or should the car run normal without a tune still? Apologies, I'm writing this on my phone since I'm away until Monday
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mmmusty Private First Class 26 Rep 144 Posts Drives: 2008 alpine white 128i Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (1)	What do you think about the plugging and sealing off one of the oil air separator hoses; What did you do about those two hoses coming from the car, another thread had said to seal one off? And what I failed to mention is that the car ran fine all the way home, even seemed smoother despite the check engine light... So I thought maybe tieing the ignition of and on may clear it, I did and that's when it ran like garbage... Still a vacuum leak you think? If so, any ideas where brother. Thank you btw
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