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Been a crazy couple of days of chaos, so will write more in a couple of hours when I have time to do a proper write up/review/analysis, but here's at least a preview. I'm back in my car this morning as I had to cut my trip short and come in to work, so wanted to push my car a bit for a good comparison, but alas, traffic was not conducive.
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Dinan Stage 2 Mini Review
Alright, I have a little more time now to give somewhat of a review, though I'm still not sure how much to take away from it.
To answer you first Kouper, I guess when you rent enough Hyundai's, you get enough points to then rent whatever your heart desires, so I said, hey, can I get a dinan stage 2 tuned 2013 135i and they obliged, albeit in space gray. What I can say is, it sure was a blast to drive and fast as hell, however at first I thought it was just a subtle upgrade in power. The problem I found though is that I was really mashing the hell out of the gas and pushing it 2-3x harder than I ever had or normally would my own car, so that may account for a lot of what I felt. For those of you with DCT, I'd say maybe it feels like 1.5x pushing the sport button? The power delivery is nice and maybe a lil smoother, lil less lag on the throttle response, but in the end, I don't know. It was very clear to me that while it was fun and a nice upgrade, I didn't think there was ENOUGH of a difference for my driving style to justify it. I wish I had my car there to do a thorough back to back, but I was in San Diego and didn't get back to MY car til today. I wanted to try to push my car this morning a bit, trying to give it the same throttle inputs to see how it responded, but it was raining for once and traffic was pretty congested, so couldn't do much. My take away though is that if I didn't have the PPK, this is what I'd get. But WITH the PPK, I don't know. Again, I think it's hard for me to make a serious take away without my car there to do back to back similar runs. The OTHER major problem of course I encountered is that after about an hour, I got a major low oil warning! What's weird is nothing really came up to alert me WHILE I was driving, though I did notice the lil warning triangle next to the odometer, but I was told by the owner to hit the DTC button once when I get in the car because he said the first time he pushed it on an onramp after getting the dinan flash, the DTC kicked in and like shut him down or something, cutting out his gas and leaving him stuck on a freeway onramp for a minute and had to turn the car back on. Disconcerting...like my low oil warning, which didn't show up prominently in the instrument cluster until I turned the car OFF! Where's the sense in that? I think I assumed the lil warning triangle was cause of the DTC being slightly off hitting it once. When I turned the car back on, warning was gone, said oil level was okay, and I drove back to my hotel very cautiously and the warning came back up when I turned it off there again. I then had to figure out what to do, and ultimately had to look up the right oil, go to Autozone, get a quart of oil and play mechanic. Was a major ordeal and 2 hour cluster-f*** but guess that took care of it. Got it back out after that, took it easy, made sure everything was okay, all warnings off, oil level then showing max, and enjoyed it a bit more at night. I did not take any videos, did not use launch control or anything. Other things to note - there were NO pops, NO crackles, no overruns, nothing of the sort with the dinan tune alone. So, while Chunner says he still has them, I guess the only thing we learned is that the dinan tune alone does not create any, though that doesn't really help any of us. I suppose if you put a dinan on top of a PPK you will retain the pops and crackles? Dinan reps don't seem to know and nobody wants to risk this. So, chunner is the only person we know who put a dinan on top of a PPK and can really tell us, though a bit of a small sample size. It also was so sad to not have the PE!!!! On our cars, not sure what we'd say the ratio is of engine noise to exhaust noise. 50-50? Maybe 40-60? In that dinan-tuned car, was more like 90% engine, 10% exhaust. That was just a different experience than I've become accustomed to. It also may be why I was pushing the gas more and more to try to make exhaust noise. But it still sounded awesome to hear that engine roar. When I had the window down to try to listen for exhaust pops, crackles, and overruns, of which i heard zero, you definitely hear the whooshing turbos a bit more, though that could also be attributed to not having the PE loudly blasting. In the end, it was surely fun, nice to be essentially in almost my car as a rental car while on a trip, though the mechanical issues really soured things, pretty much ruined my day, and I ultimately cut my trip a day short, hopped in my lovely chevy sonic and drove home late last night to have to work today. Here are some additional pics, including my 2 rentals next to each other. Ha! |
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Also I know it sounds cheesy but the along with the aesthetics, I really associate the 'is' with the PPK v2. I like knowing our 1-er puts out the same power as the m235i (despite being an older platform). Heck, I even have the slightest of reservations installing the MFactory LSD as I really prefer the Quaife, but at least it's easily removeable. After the diff, PS is only things left on my wishlist which I can justify when it's time to replace the worn out oe shocks. |
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And at least I got to drive kinda my own car as a rental car while on a trip, so was nice and familiar. |
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Greg, if u are ever in NYC, look me up. You can have mines for the weekend! A stock 135is has: Peak BHP: 320 @ 5800 Peak Torque: 317 @ 1300 Dinan stage 2 will give a 135is Peak BHP: 355 @ 5300 Peak Torque: 401 @ 5300 Dinan stage 3 will give a 135is Peak BHP: 373 @ 5300 Peak Torque 408 @ 3500 The stock 135is's pops & crackles will remain. The Dinan tune does not take that away in any form or fashion. I PROMISE!!!
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Also, you're also benefiting from additional bolt ons with your stage 3. Wish you'd gone stage 2 FIRST just for our own informational purposes. Next time take one for the team. Also is that torque # right on the stage 2 peak at 5300 rpm or was that supposed to be 3500? if 5300, not sure I even got up to those levels. Believe me, it pulled like a mother-fing freight train, but again, I think half of that was the car and the other half was me just pushing it much harder than my own car to see how it felt and what it could do. Plus, once I got the low oil warning early on, that really put a hamper on things and I was afraid to do much of anything. Pushing the sport button already makes our cars "feel" faster and that's the best way I can describe it as like sport button times 1.5, as it was more responsive and the power came on quicker. So for me at least, I can't justify the money for stage 2 if you already have ppk2, and I don't have the money for stage 3, so that's out for me. Plus, since I sit in traffic most the time and don't push my car quite that hard, in my situation I can't justify it...but don't want to take away from them or sound like I'm poo-pooing them altogether. |
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One thing that comes to mind though, if your rental car had say over 40k on the odom, it's probably due for carbon cleaning which is notorious for robbing power. Whereas Chunner's (and all our 2013's) for that model have far less miles so his Dinan S2/3 performing noticeably better isn't surprising neither.
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I'd also consider what I did not a comprehensive test, more of simply a day of fun and exploration. |
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Got it, only other thing I can think of heatsoak. Increase in boost w/o upgraded FMIC could be a little disappointing given the right (or wrong) humidity conditions. Or maybe boost leak, who knows.
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I mean it definitely felt faster and was a blast. It was also insanely hot and humid yesterday with remnants of hurricane whatever. Unbearable conditions of like 90-95 with who knows what humidity, tropical weather and occasional thunderstorms, though luckily I didn't drive through any. It also does not have the additional/upgraded cooling of our beloved PPK2s, as well. Was interesting to see under the hood too cause it looked a lot "emptier" on the right than I'm used to I guess since it didn't have all the plumbing and what have you of the PPK2.
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Reminds me of the poor Corvette HZH we rented from Hertz in 2008 and spent an entire day hot-lapping around the backroads and canyons of Riverside County. That car stopped for driver changes and fuel. Handled it like a champ... no lights, messages, or limp modes! Interesting thoughts on the more subdued personality of the car without the PE and PPK pops & burbles. On the 135is, those two upgrades really "tie the room together"!
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Sounds like a fun weekend that at least gave you some feel for the Dinan stage 2 tune. You should have just driven your car to San Diego. That way you could have driven the two back to back and gotten a much better sense of the comparison. |
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As an update, after driving my car home from work on the freeway and trying to somewhat push it in a similar fashion to the dinan one, it's definitely noticeably slower in comparison. The dinan one seems to just surge and have the power come on sooner for what it's worth.
And the reason I was renting a car was because I was driving to Phoenix, THEN all the way around to San Diego and with 100+ degree heat and 10 hours of planned driving through the desert with risk of thunderstorms and flash flooding, I played it safe and spent the $32 on a lovely rental car. In retrospect I may have been better off taking my car, but I'd also already decided that I wasn't going to get the dinan flash, so a more scientific/back to back comparison wasn't really the goal. Just a fun day of hauling ass and trying to avoid a ticket. And to see what the leather interior is like on our cars. =P |
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hee hee, I guess what you are trying to imply is: now... after comparing it with your 135is ..... that you thoroughly enjoyed thrashing around a 135i Dinan Stage 2 car and it's 355hp @ 5300 RPM and 401lbs of tq @ 5300 RPM vs.... a stock 135is which has: 320hp @ 5800 RPM and 317lbs of tq @ 1300 RPM... Now just imagine, driving your own 135is with all it's PE crackle, pop and burble glory because you do not lose it but now with a with the Dinan stage 2 tune and if you dare, a stage 3 tune with 373hp @ 5300 RPM and 408lbs of tq @ an whopping early 3500 RPM. With all that, it also comes with an upgraded FMIC and oil cooler to handle all that hot heat soak from that wonderful California sun! In addition, since you already have that BMW performance suspension and those sticky Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Your ride would actually even be more fun then the rental because all that power will now be efficiently transferred to the ground. I will now dare say.. "Live what I live everyday" ... "JUST DO IT"!
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Yes, I will admit it, after pushing my car a bit more today, I can say that the dinan stage 2 was definitely noticeably more powerful and more responsive.
Ain't getting it though! The car is already plenty fast and makes me smile, and don't think I could afford the tickets I would be getting either because it's definitely addictive and has you pushing the car more...same way the performance suspension seemingly has you start driving harder and harder and pushing the limits cause it just feels so much more capable. Ask Rick. Or pick that up one day. Once you switch to the PSS, it'll really expose the flaws in the stock suspension. Perhaps that can be your spring treat. |
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65* this morning on the way to work, what's heatsoak??
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I'm looking at 103* as the hottest temperature this weekend, so no turbo weather here. As I was just discussing with another member, the a/c in our cars suck so I'll be staying in as much as possible. September in San Berdu county is hell. Can't wait for fall.
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