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03-24-2008, 11:36 AM | #23 | |
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If the guy next to you in the Home Depot modded Civic loses control, dies and cause some decent property damage, guess what: 1) you lose your car 2) you go to jail and get a felony conviction 3) you get sued by the dead guy family 4) you get sued for the property damage Be smart keep it on the track |
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03-24-2008, 11:52 AM | #25 |
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Sorry if I insult anyone but I going to stick out like a sore thumb here for a second. ARES you completely have it right that laws should never be subjective.
For the rest of you who seem to think road racing is SOOO dangerous and that we need to wake up to reality, you need to take your Geritol, sell your car, and stay in bed. You are typical backwards Americans who considering driving a mere means of transportation. Guess what?!? You don’t solve dangerous things by making them illegal; you train the operator to perform them safely. It’s absolutely sickening to hear all these people tell you how “OMG speed = DEATH… end of story” Really then how does Germany still have drivers that are living? How does the rest of the world even stay alive when places like the United Kingdom have 60 mph speed limits on BACK ROADS? For everyone who thinks that going fast on public roads kills maybe you should evaluate YOUR OWN driving skills. Speed does not kill, poor driving does. If everyone had the same attitude you would not be driving you precious BMW. You would be driving the only car made available to the public by the only car manufacture in the world. It would get to 60 in 15 seconds (Because why would you need to be any faster right?). And 60mph would be the fastest you could ever go. You are kidding yourself buy buying a 135i and then claim you are going to obey all posted laws. WTF is the point of owning a performance car, sell it and buy a Honda Fit. |
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That would be 50kph which is about 31mph. I just drove back from NYC yesterday and averaged 90 mph. I drove by a number of state troopers going around 85mph (and slowing) never got pulled over. Since that was a 65 mph zone I couldn't imagine getting my car confiscated for doing about 95 mph. Half the traffic was going that fast. What a stupid law! Go Ontario government! Spend all your time passing these garbage laws while our economy is going down the toilet.
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03-24-2008, 12:14 PM | #27 |
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There is a reason why street racing is ILLEGAL. It's endangers the lives of other people driving, yourself, people walking on the street and so fourth. There's no such thing as "safe" street racing. You guys need to grow up and consider the danger you put everyone else in. You prove NOTHING when street racing other than the fact you are "cool." I just hope you don't hit and kill me when you lose control of your car at 100mph on the freeway.
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03-24-2008, 12:19 PM | #28 | |
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03-24-2008, 12:20 PM | #29 |
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Just to clarify, I am talking about just accelerating fast off of a light, not racing down the freeway at 100mph.
Has your M3 ever seen a 100mph off the track Mike? I think the cops should focus on larger crimes than speeding, but I guess that is what pays some of the bills, not a lot of income from actually catching real criminals.
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03-24-2008, 12:26 PM | #31 |
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I never have gone beyond 80 off the track. Cali is too congested to go beyond 80 and I have no reason go ridiculous fast off the track. I understand that driver errors causes accidents.
But what if you are going 30+ over the speed limit on the open freeway @ night. For whatever reason there is an oil slick, mattress, or a raccoon on the freeway. You either dont see it or dont swerve in time because you are going so quick. Something happens, you spin and hit other cars. It's hard to drive fast safe when there is other external factors that will cause you to get to an accident. |
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03-24-2008, 12:36 PM | #33 | |
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YOU DON”T KNOW THE GUY NEXT TO YOU. You don’t know what his skills are or what shape his self modded piece-o-crap car is in. In most states you will be held liable for enabling the fool next to you. If no one races the zit faced kid in the lawn-blower-for-a-supercharger-civic, the world will be a safer place |
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You're right, driver error causes accidents, but speed isn't a driver error. I think there are conditions where one can go 100+ on a road and be in danger of only hurting themselves (although not where you are from due to congestions). I don't recommend this action, especially if you are trying to race some one else. For me, I do much more dangerous things on a daily basis, so it is all relative. Maybe I should live more safe, but I weigh each risk I take and determine if is acceptable. I do my best not to endanger others and that is all I can do, I have yet to stop light race someone, but I may one day. I also enjoy spirited driving when possible, but that isn't really street racing in my opinion. I have never encountered 'Fast and Furious' type street racing and maybe that is a problem where some people live in which case I agree that is stupid, but having fun while driving is possible while just 'bending the law' and that is what me and my 135 will be doing.
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03-24-2008, 12:41 PM | #36 | |
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The road curved and the guy got too close to him and "pit maneuvered" him by accident. My friend's M3 flipped and he died 4 hrs later. Yes, that was drivers errors, but his life could have been saved if he opted out of street racing. In the end, if he survived and won.. what has he gained? A boosted ego? He gained nothing. RIP 2006. Once you know or witness someone dying because of street racing, you open up your eyes. Be safe out there. |
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Yes Mike, Everyone is clearly street racing all around you and wrecking into your car. I’m sure you must have to pick out pieces of glass from you interior every day. It strange that someone who is telling people to “Grow up” is the same person with a very naive comment concerning it being “ILLEGAL”. Just FYI, just because something is legal or illegal does not make it right or wrong. No offense but anyone who blindly follows HUMAN law is ignorant. It was legal for some old lady to sue McDonalds for serving her hot coffee, that does not make it right. I’m sure I can safely say that any intelligent member would disregard such an argument merely because of some legality.
Oh and BTW what exactly do you think is being proven on the track… that you are cool? Now try to tell me deaths never happen on a track. So now what, nothing separating the motive and outcome of street and track racing. Guess you can’t use that anymore. All this danger you talk about goes right back to You do Not fix problems with draconian laws, you train the drivers to perform safely. This common misconception of everything is dangerous so let’s make it illegal is what is wrong with America. Wrecking does not Magically hurt less in other countries, those governments came up with a REAL solution to the problem, making it not only safe to drive but also keeping higher speed limits. |
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Nice find on the M3--I read the details on Nasioc. Sounds like you'll keep the rubber side down. |
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These ares are very quick and fairly cheap. That's a very dangerous combination, as it makes them accessible to many inexperienced (in performance) drivers. It's often said that the best performance mod you can do to your car is to enroll yourself in performance driving events by a reputable organization. I can't agree more. It's also pretty safe to say that we will not have a "Kill Stories" subforum here. |
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Let me ask you this real quick before I go. Would you promote/discourage your son/daughter to street race? This is not to disprove your argument or anything, it's just a curious question. |
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I am also against a seat belt law because few have ever flown out a window and killed someone not in the car. A person can flop around all over the inside and kill people if not buckled in, but that was the people in the car's responsibility not the responsibility of the state. I always wear my seatbelt and advise my passengers to as well, but that doesn't mean it should be a law.
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Fair enough Mike, generally speaking in most situations I would discourage my son/daughter to random irrational street racing. However if he or she was going to some back road with friends and doing 0-60 pulls or what not I would definitely not be opposed to this activity. In the same hand at that point in time my son/daughter would have been to a performance driving training and autox of some sort, take whatever you want from that.
P.s. sorry if I came off fanatical and extremist, just a touchy subject. |
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