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View Poll Results: Are you disappointed in the 1M now that it has been released? | |||
Yes, not as good as I had hoped. | 134 | 35.64% | |
No, lives up to my expectations. | 133 | 35.37% | |
Ask me after its been properly tested. | 109 | 28.99% | |
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12-10-2010, 12:10 PM | #23 | |
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Now with that said, this isn't even a negative criticism... "is" cars in the past have all been good solid fun to drive models and usually worth the extra cost. They are named "is" aptly because they do only boost subtle improvements, with this new 1M that is all I am really seeing. Yeah it has an LSD and wider tires... but nothing overly sweeping and dramatic, such as any of the other M cars VS their stock counterparts. EDIT: One thing I did find kind of funny is over on the 3 series forums they are arguing that the 335is is too close to the M3 now... lol Last edited by Sugarphreak; 12-10-2010 at 12:34 PM.. |
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12-10-2010, 12:33 PM | #24 |
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Yeah, but "is" cars do not have a completely re-tuned M suspension, wide bodywork, LSD, etc. The 6MT gear ratios may be the same, but the linkage is different as well. I don't believe the engine in the 1M is exactly the same from the 335is, as the M guys told us in Leipzig that the 1M's engine had higher tolerances. Hopefully we'll hear some more details on it at some point.
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12-10-2010, 12:34 PM | #25 |
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To me, this is a good job of combining M parts, unique bodywork with an "is" engine. We can argue whatever we want, but this engine is the same engine installed at least in the Z4is, down to the exact same specs and overboost feature.
The difference is the plastic engine cover. I would have rather seen the Z4is be classified as a Z4M -at least it has 15hp over the 335is- so in the scheme of "M things" this 1M would be without any doubt full M product. But as I see it, this is a put together parts bin special just to meet a extremelly tight production cost with a M badge, which it is not bad at all as long as there is a real "M cohesion" among all those parts together. |
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12-10-2010, 02:13 PM | #27 |
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The reason the car doesn't seem like an M to me is the sense of compromise and cost cutting you feel as you peruse the parts/specs. There is something special about knowing that the S65 was developed specifically for the M3, and only for the M3. You feel it when you drive the car, the engine is in perfect harmony with the chassis. The sound and throttle response are ungodly.
I can't help but think of the nissan VQ series when I look at the 1M. The VQ is a very nice engine.... BUT It's hard to revere the Z cars when the Quest minivan at the stoplight next to you has a detuned version of your engine. Yes the N54/55 motors are fantastic in nearly every way, but they lack that special something. Previous M cars feel from the ground up as though they were designed to be something special, unique. The 1M gives the sense of a really good car that was developed to take advantage of a reputation built on the shoulders of truly great cars. That's my perspective having owned an E36 M3, E46 M3, E90 335, E93 335, E92 335, and E92 M3. In addition, having driven many many other great cars BWM et al |
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12-10-2010, 03:35 PM | #30 |
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I think the car is fine but not as expected we were suppose to have a new version of the N55 with over 350hp under the hood and now we have a non M engine. The body kit is just a little bit too much and there is no CF roof. I just wish that the price of the car and the option will be adjust accordingly.
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I'll say this as it is honestly how I feel (and probably be grilled for it, but keep in mind I am still being on list in 2 dealerships and yet to decide how to proceed, most likely wait for it and drive it before making final decision):
Had BMW not overly hyped this car for soooo long over the last yr +, with multiple stripteases, CEO appearances, corporate blue sky blah, etc. I think I would have been very happy with it. Maybe it is me and how I (mis)took their marketing, but I was expecting something truly unique and better than a car that essentially borrows an existing non ///M engine, raids the parts bin of a ///M car gracefully aging more than halfway in its lifecycle, and as such is not a ///M car built from the ground up as all others generally are. I understand sacrifices had to be made (no CF roof, stick cheapest Boston interior known to BMW customers, etc.) and in many ways appreciate BMW for even delivering this specimen, but at the end of the day, when was the ///M division about 'compromises'? I mean what is so truly new and unique about this car not found on others: Air Curtain, yupee! Not being a basher, just simply stating that per the expectations I had personally set (which I admit may have been off-camber), the car didn't deliver. So to me, it is neither an "is" variant nor a capitalized "M", I'll call it the 1 ///m That's just my opinion, no one has to agree with it. Again, I will withhold final judgement until I have a chance to drive her. Hopefully I will want the car as much as I have all yr long.
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12-10-2010, 05:00 PM | #33 |
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I have been mulling over this for a bit, while the price is right against other competitors... it isn't right compared to the 135i. I was close to placing a pre-order, but for the moment I am holding off until I see some 3rd party reviews.
Now with that said, in the US you guys are talking only 9K over a 135i... up here in Canada it is likely to be 15K (based on other BMW cars MSRP). With all the specs out, my honest and frank opinion is I don't see it being that much better than the 135i on the track (time will tell I guess)... it might do a marginally better with the suspension and LSD, but weight and power are very similar and could easily be achieved on the 135i for much less than the cost difference. With the 2011 135i featuring the 306hp N55 with the scrolling turbo (which is supposed to feel more like an N/A engine) I might go that route instead. 15K would buy a lot of R-comp tires, a reasonable set of racing brake pads/rotors and dampers... and pay for race school and track fees for a few years to boot. |
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Heck, a 128 with upgraded brakes, suspension, and tires will be a ton of fun at the track and cost you much less. thats the route I would take if I wanted a dual purpose car. But, for a kick ass street car, that sees the track a couple times at best, its the 1M all the way. |
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12-11-2010, 02:47 AM | #35 |
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They need to change the tricolor stitching on the steering wheel to match the orange stitching elsewhere in the interior.
They should have offered a shade of blue. Another 20 HP would have been perfect (but I'm sure Shiv will help us out). Despite these small deficiencies, I'm pretty happy with the 1M. Unlike some, I am not disappointed with the N54 powerplant, and I am much more interested in a smaller somewhat lighter car with a responsive and agile chassis. |
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12-11-2010, 03:06 AM | #37 | |
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I think the interior is poorly done. The stitching on the steering wheel does not match the stitching elsewhere, the trim on the dash looks inexpensive, the before mentioned poor functionality of the trim on the door handle, and the alcantera should be in the middle of the leather seats to hold you better than slippery leather. The interior gets a 5 out of 10 in my book. I was really surprised. |
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12-11-2010, 05:48 AM | #38 |
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This is a pretty clever car.
By clever I mean positioned and designed cleverly by BMW. It offers a return to roots approach along with bringing an M car to the market at a much lower price point than the M3. There has been near continual rumblings from the ranks of BMW M owners ever since the release of the E36 M3 - "too big", "too heavy", "too much luxury", even "too many options" - i.e. not enough of the homologation racer type of car. By reusing a ton of existing M3 parts (brakes, suspension, wheels, perhaps even the diff.) they get the performance AND cost benefits (as well as some prestige). Of course because the car, like all M cars, is a highly factory tuned version of a base model you automatically get nice cost savings there in manufacturing. The engine is also an existing engine with a slightly different tune so no development cost nor time there. Lastly, the clever optioning (or really lack thereof) which again simplifies manufacturing, marketing and their entire cost structure due to higher volumes of many parts. This car is going to perform a lot like the E46 M3 in terms of raw numbers. It's power to weight is very close and as we know that's all that really matters for most metrics we all care about. I have to chuckle a bit about all those going nuts about the torque and torque to weight. Such numbers are absolutely unequivocally not the number that matters. But due to its size and much more advanced suspension (and even simply from a decade of general automotive advancement) it will surely out handle it and win in the fun to drive contest as well. Other loosely related points: As far as looks go this car is a big winner. Those fender flares are simply stunning. Another nice return to roots in terms of a very aggressive look. I do think as BMW continues to reuse engines to a greater extent across models, M models and non-M models they will be tightening up on the security/encryption of their software. We've seen the comments here from insiders about "preserving that stature" of the M3 or whatever was said. BMW can't allow engines from very different cars and different models to be made nearly identical with some simple software. The car will offer a huge improvement over the existing M3 in terms of fuel efficiency. Sure we don't buy M cars for efficiency, but heck, if you can have the performance and the efficiency why not? At least we can destroy the planet a quite a bit slower... The only real disappointment here (for which there seems to be a glimmer of hope for resolution) is the lack of a DCT. Shame on those who are pleased that the car won't be offered with one. I suspect most of you haven't driven one both leisurely and aggressively. Note how multiple testers have already praised the throttle response in the upper rpm ranges (a bit suspiciously absent was praise about low rpms). Guess how much a DCT would complement this FI motor in order to help keep the turbos appropriately spun up on corner entry and then through the corners? Oh yeah I forgot all the real drivers would be too busy gloating about their heel and toe expertise to care about that... As always there will be faster cars that will be less expensive but none will offer the refinement, quality, performance and experience of the 1 M for less money. I'll be quite keen to see the car go up against the likes of the top Japanese performance coupes/sedans. Hat's off BMW. I'm quite impressed. I hope the car does live up the cleverness.
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BTW. did you know that Canada sells more M cars compared to non-M Cars then any other country? I guess we like the best up here. |
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12-11-2010, 07:37 AM | #40 |
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I'm not disappointed but I'm not thrilled either. Like others, I feel that a lot of what was promised/hyped was dropped. Had I never known about those, I think I would have been more excited. I think I will stick with my 135i for now and then one day upgrade to an E92 M3 if the time is right and if it's still in production.
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12-11-2010, 08:08 AM | #41 |
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My two part answer to the poll:
If I had been eagerly waiting to purchase the new 1M, then I would surely be disappointed with the final released car and specs. But, since I just purchased a 135i M-Sport DCT in October, and very much enjoying the car, I am very satisfied/content with the details of the new 1M, because now I feel no temptation or nagging desire to own one. Perhaps, I can appreciate BMWs intent to keep the car rather simple and pure, without too many added luxuries, but it's not consistent with the other M models. Several things are deal breakers for me personally: -Lack of DCT -No moonroof -Exterior/Interior color options -Engine stats vs. 135i Last edited by H2Orower; 12-11-2010 at 08:13 AM.. |
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12-11-2010, 08:27 AM | #42 |
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whats with the powerplant? as someone had said earlier, some tech data says "twinpower" some say "twinturbo." So does it have the N54 or N55?
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12-11-2010, 08:49 AM | #43 | |
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Only do an elaborate tease if you have the final product to surpass created expectations. Expectations brought on by your own teasings, no less. -The teased engine, subjected to many a racelap around the Nordschleife, turns out to be an already well known Z4/is-N54, nothing more; -The mystery leather striptease patch on the fender in the end hides only a crease with an out of place M3 turnsignal. -Keep saying for months "this is not the final interior!". Well, now it IS the final interior. It's things like that just burst my bubble. Last edited by Future M1 owner; 12-11-2010 at 08:57 AM.. |
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