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I seem to come across a lot of people who I consider old school. By old school I mean they have an opinion from a time when the value of something was the sum of the cost of its parts with little value being placed on the effort to design the completed product. They often see the effort required to design a product both in hardware and software design as of little value. I am mainly thinking of electronic products. Times have really changed. Electronics have become much cheaper to manufacture and more complex to design. Memory has become cheaper. The capability of software has been increased and the proportional development effort put into a product has increased. The hardware parts are worth less than the expertise to get the parts to do something useful.... but many people still see a product as a bunch of chips worth a few cents each. |
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07-04-2013, 11:14 PM | #24 |
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I followed the original thread back in April and this guy was definitely going for a full open source tuning project (although he says otherwise now). I can acknowledge that the guy has spent countless hours on this and he is entitled to make a profit but I don't think he went about it the right way (badly influenced by one).
Until logging becomes active on this device it's useless IMO. Most people here in Australia will still pay the extra $$$ and buy a COBB for many reasons. One being that most here run OTS maps anyway and you can get a COBB AP for under $700 these days. Also ATR is free when you have an AP. Alex I think you need to remove the "Open Source" from the title of this thread. We all know what happened with this project. It's just a shame. |
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07-04-2013, 11:26 PM | #25 | |
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It is interesting you say it is useless without logging, but then go on to say most people use a Cobb with an OTS map anyway. I presume than that most people do not use the logging on the Cobb. You may be right about people preferring Cobb. Time will tell. But if it was >30% cheaper and offered a better UI and more capability for people to explore the ROMs to find new tables and share that info, I suspect it may find a place in the market. |
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07-04-2013, 11:48 PM | #26 | |
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I for one hope that this device does go through many revisions/changes to make it better in every way for the end user. I agree adrian, it'll definitely find a place in the market. Heck i'll probably hit you up for one in the future just cause it'll be another tool in the toolbox plus the wife spends far more than $400 on a pair of shoes alone. |
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07-04-2013, 11:58 PM | #27 | |
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http://**************.com/bmwlogger to get some base lines before I install the Procede, downpipes etc. I wouldn't use it to tune by, but it wasn't as horrible as I imagined, considering its price. |
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07-05-2013, 04:40 AM | #28 | |
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source = base files. open market stuff. the device is closed source. the tuning software is closed source. it's all closed... just because you can 'see all the tables' doesn't mean shit.. as has been stated by the cobb guys, there are countless 10's of totally junk tables they don't bother giving, because at best they're useless, and at worst they'll just break stuff. Quote:
no dicking about, no expense.... knowledge required. much more knowledge. in fact, a LOT of knowledge, because there is less of said 'expensive hours' of work put into making it needlessly user friendly. so YES people do it all the time? have you ever heard of a little (tiny little) site called sourceforge? MILLIONS of unpaid hours and by and large, people would have been MORE than happy to buy a convenient cable and small bit of decryption software. MORE THAN. |
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07-05-2013, 07:03 AM | #30 |
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I'm not interested in the open source or not discussions, just trying to understand what this thing can do.
Question, I have is. If hypothetical person 'Joe' used this device to read their car (software) and host the file, could I then use my own device to load that software in my car? I'm trying to keep this very simple, but if that's the case, I can see why a lot of flash tuners would get nervousness with this release. Sounds like a game changer. Would this mean the first Cobb file uploaded could be shared with anyone having this device? Likewise with other flash tunes? How cool would it be to use a single device to load a Cobb, Evolve, GIACC file as you like. Have I got this all wrong?!!! |
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07-05-2013, 07:06 AM | #31 |
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Yeah yeah.... Someone said he was going to do something that amounted to giving you a bunch of his time and effort for nothing so you could tune your car. He put a whole lot of time and effort and money into it and he changes his mind and decides he'd like some reward for his effort, and now your all upset because you liked the idea of getting a whole lot of something for nothing and since he said it before you should now be entitled to it. And not only that..... His definition of a couple of words is different to yours and you know better.... so there!!
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07-21-2013, 04:24 AM | #32 | |
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Do you have any of these in stock yet?
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07-21-2013, 08:19 PM | #34 |
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Stock is on the way. We are trying to get XDFs sorted for the ROMs on Australian cars. So far we have found the ROMs to be different to the common ROMs on US cars.
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What would be awesome would be if someone created an iPad tuning app LOL. Not sure if that's possible though. |
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I went to Cash Converters and scored a second hand one cheap, with warranty for use with my Procede
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Hi Froop,
I have the OF tablets in stock. Could I connect to your car to see what ROM you have. If anyone else is in the hills district, and could spare some time to do same, please let me know. It would be much appreciated. I just want to see what the common ROMs are. The more cars I can upload the ROM on, the better. Cheers, Adrian |
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07-30-2013, 11:42 PM | #41 | |
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It's a 1 hour ROM read right? Alex
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08-13-2013, 06:28 PM | #42 |
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Hi Guys,
Just a heads up that Australian support is well on the way: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876504 So that is support for the 2 ROMs I have found that are unique to Australia. I have also found a ROM that is common to the US cars and is already supported, so that makes 3 ROMs found so far in Australian cars. 1 is supported, and 2 are in beta. Cheers, Adrian |
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