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07-04-2011, 10:16 PM | #23 |
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First Dinan is great if you buy your car brand new and want to preserve your warranty. But seeing as you will only have 6 months left of it I would go for the cheaper and as some will say better ecu upgrades.
As for the items JB4 is similar function to dinan except it is not a flash rather a piggyback DCI is dual cone intakes-hopefully thats all you need to know Dp- or down pipes are just that Meth you need to look up but it helps cool your engine when under higher boost pressure IC- intercooler helps cool the turbos(you have a stock one but obviously aftermarket have improved) And basically all of these will void your warranty so you need to decide how far you want to go. M3 is an NA 8 cyl beast that may look similar but drives very differently consider a test drive. A used M3 will be inline price wise to your highly modified 335i give 5-7k. |
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07-04-2011, 10:41 PM | #24 |
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Thanks, Fenixx. Yeah I knew a majority but the JB4 is something that I've been seeing a lot of people use but wasn't really 100% sure what it was. I know that when it comes down to it, a reflash is definitely always preferred over a piggyback which is why I'm looking at a company like Dinan.
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07-05-2011, 12:08 AM | #25 |
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1) Mod your brain:
http://www.bmwcca.org http://www.nasaproracing.com http://www.scca.com or any other group that does HPDEs/ schools like Skip Barber then: 2) Tires 3) Suspension 4) Power 5) Brakes
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07-05-2011, 01:52 AM | #26 |
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Assuming you already have a Quaife LSD? If not, you can upgrade power as much as you like and you'll sping a lot of it away.
I'd go for: remap suspension upgrade anti roll bars quaife LSD if you want more power then start to look at the exhaust then intercooler, oil cooler etc. A lot of aftermarket intercoolers offer a lot, and according to a number of experts, can actually be the same as or even worse than OEM. Oh and at least upgrade your brake pads and fluids, definitely calipers and disks if you track it. |
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07-05-2011, 08:22 AM | #27 | |
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Developing one’s driving skills is THE single most important performance modification that any driver can make. This point really can't be stressed enough on forums like E90Post. Once a driver has more skill/experience behind the wheel, they’ll better understand the fundamentals of car control and have a good feel for the car’s performance limitations. They'll also better understand which of the car’s stock components most inhibit better lap times (it's probably not the engine). At the track you can seek out advice from various other 335i owners before upgrading your car’s tires, suspension, brake pads, rotors, calipers, differential, etc. Please note that aleckzandr and I didn’t suggest any (haphazard) engine modifications. The N54 engine produces ample power in stock form so why take a chance creating more stress, strain, and heat on the engine, transmission, driveline, etc., and reduce the car's already sketchy reliability even further? IMO, tampering with a production car's engine (reliability) is never a good idea, but it's an even worse idea to tamper with a very complex and expensive engine like the N54.
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07-05-2011, 08:54 AM | #28 |
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There are plenty of contentious threads comparing modified 335's to the M3. One thing you cannot modify on the 335 is the rear suspension which is completely different on the M3 than the 335 and also includes a stock limited slip differential. Also, power delivery and sound of the M3 V-8 will be much different than and heavily modded 335 I-6.
Rather than spend big bucks to heavily modify a 335 to handle and go as fast as an M3, I'd rather get the real thing as engineered by BMW. The M3 is often mentioned as the best all around sport sedan in the world. |
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07-05-2011, 10:36 AM | #29 | |
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Once I got my car, I did not mod the car for awhile. Just want to get use to the overall size and power of the car. Try taking off DSC and step on the throttle, and you'll find out quick the difference and what I mean. If you "really" plan to get involved with tracking your car, then I highly recommend installing LSD (Quaife, Wavetrac). Yes it's huge hit, but it will be worth it. If not, then follow the list stated above. |
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07-05-2011, 04:10 PM | #30 |
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I missed LSD. It can be categorized under power, or put it before power. Of course, any time you can reduce weight....
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07-05-2011, 07:31 PM | #31 |
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I appreciate all of the driving class recommendations; I suppose I'll edit my original post to state that I already plan on getting involved in some sort of course / training course and getting that under my belt at some point.
However, for those that are suggesting to NOT touch the car at all, one of the reasons I even made this thread is because the thought of adding different parts (see: Dinan, etc) is because that whole aspect really interests me. So if you either have a similar interest in adding some performance via aftermarket parts, or have already made some changes, then please feel free to go ahead and drop some other recommendations. To all the posters thus far, thank you for your insight and suggestions, much appreciated. |
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07-05-2011, 07:48 PM | #32 | |
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The M3 still has a ton of other stuff that will not and/or cannot be pilaged for the 335i.. |
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07-08-2011, 01:05 AM | #33 |
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The more and more I read about it (on these forums, only) I really am getting the feel that a lot of people aren't really fans of Dinan in any stage.
Any thoughts on PROcede v5 as compared to, let's say, Dinan Stage III? Price and performance-wise. |
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07-08-2011, 01:15 AM | #34 |
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A procede is more comparable to a jb, but the procede is better. It's worth the extra over the jb but is cheaper than the dinan, last time I looked.
My friend(who has owned two 335's and has been-there-done-that) had a jb, then got a procede and likes it way better. As soon as I aquire the funds for it(I've had my 07 335 coupe for a month haha), I'm getting a procede as well. I'd make that your first move, as it's the easiest, best bang for your buck. |
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07-08-2011, 02:17 AM | #35 | |
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Comparing a piggy to a reflash is apples and oranges..pricewise piggys are cheaper than reflash especially DINAN |
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07-08-2011, 10:52 AM | #36 |
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I had dinan stage 2 a month after getting my car. I'm much happier with my cobb reflash. Alot more power and I don't have to goto the dealer to reflash when bmw reprograms. On top of that, my car is now flagged with the dinan flash so I'm not sure how that will affect an extended warranty in the future.
If you have the oil cooler and sport suspension for daily driving: 1) Non run flat tires 2) Tune & intake If needed 3) coilovers 4) M3 links 5) etc...
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07-08-2011, 11:41 AM | #37 |
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People don't like dinan bc it's expensive and more conservative than other ecu upgrades. And you must go to the dealer or dinan directly for most anything meaning you will get flagged for it and you can not extend your BMW warranty (third parties work bc they don't know) I have dinan on my car through some random problems with my car and honestly I quite enjoy it(basically I didn't pay for it). I've never been in a car with any other flash or piggy back so I can't really compare. As I posted before I don't think you will really have enough warranty left on your car to justify the extra 1k on the upgrade. But if you do go the dinan route I don't think u will be disappointed. Again just my 2 cents
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07-08-2011, 11:46 AM | #38 |
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I think it is a big mistake to modify performance of any new vehicle when you first get it. you need to familiarize yourself with the nuances of the car. No 2 cars drive exactly the same in my experience. I waited over a year before I added any performance modifications to my car.
I find it interesting that no one has addressed one glaring point in the OP: This is the first time he has modded a car. Having never done this, I can tell you that it can be rewarding and addicting. But there is some sacrifice as well. In addition to the mods you will need a code reading/clearing device such as the BT Cable. If you take your car to a not so mod friendly dealership for an issue such as the dreaded HPFP failure and they notice your mods, they may/may not have reason enough to deny what would be considered normal coverage. You will have to have the ability to hide or remove all of your mods. As stated in previous posts, modding can be a bit of a balancing act. For example, if you tinker with HP you will also need stopping power. If you are going to mod, start slow. No need for Dinan as the price you are paying is for warranty coverage from Dinan. This doesn't mean BMW will automatically fix your car if something breaks due to the tune. It means you will be relying on Dinan to send the check to the dealer to cover services. According to a buddy at my dealer, the dealer had a Dinan-tuned car for 6 weeks because Dinan held up payment due to investigation. Again, start slow; Start by just driving the car in various road conditions. Get to know it. It should feel like an extension of you. Add one thing at a time. There is no hurry unless you are tracking. Others opinions may vary but this is based upon my experience. I have been modifying vehicles in various degrees since 2000.
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07-08-2011, 12:01 PM | #39 |
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Having never done this, I can tell you that it can be rewarding and addicting. Again, start slow; Start by just driving the car in various road conditions. Get to know it. It should feel like an extension of you. Add one thing at a time. QUOTE] +1 that's how I did it, one thing at a time.
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07-08-2011, 12:03 PM | #40 | |
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i am slowly starting, one at a time... JB+ first. |
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07-08-2011, 03:20 PM | #41 | |
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+2 I actually waited for four years until my warranty was completely done..in addition I joined the forum and spent a whole year just reading and seeing what everyone was running before I even made my first post. I agree..OP take your time..read, research, talk to as many people as you can before making your mod choices. |
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07-08-2011, 05:18 PM | #42 | |
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Perhaps I was a bit misleading in my original post; I don't plan on purchasing the car and then start modding immediately, that's not my intention. Rather, I just would like to get a pretty comprehensive list of some "essentials" together so that when the time comes, I have a pretty good sense of direction. When it comes to either a piggyback or reflash, money not being an issue (for arguments sake), what's the best way to go? PROcede seems to be talked about the most from what I've seen and video's like this get me pretty stoked: How easy (or hard) is it to reach around/upwards of 470+ hp with mods and such? |
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07-08-2011, 05:35 PM | #43 |
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Best bang for the buck mods (performance wise):
#1 - Good tires #2 - Tune - do your research here Piggy vs Flash #3 - Methanol/Water injection - keep your IAT's down with a nice octane boost #4 - LSD (Quaife or Wavetrac) #4 - Downpipes #5 - FMIC #6 - Custom intake (see my DIY) #7 - Suspension - Coilovers if you track often if not get some shock/spring combos #8 - Racing Brake floating rotors + good pads #9 - Exhaust (not much performance but will change your sound) #10 - M3 suspension bits My engine is fully modded and I can't even push 470+ rwhp. I ordered upgraded turbos but will barely brake 500 rwhp if I'm lucky. Our cars are fuel limited, meaning we can't get enough due to it being DI. Rumors have it Shiv is working on a fueling upgrade, but we'll see.
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