|
|
|
07-15-2010, 10:28 AM | #23 |
Private First Class
12
Rep 123
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 10:36 AM | #24 |
Major
44
Rep 1,177
Posts |
135i
__________________
Alpine White, Coral RED , Glacier Silver Aluminum trim, M sport, 6MT, NAV, HiFi, USB-iPod, Bluetooth
Performance: JB4|BMW PE|DP Cosmetics: BMW Sport Pedals|Black Kidney Grill |
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 10:41 AM | #25 | |
Major
77
Rep 1,001
Posts |
Quote:
You really are right, it is a silly point, but my look at it was that I get a lot of advanced systems, as well as a "more expensive" engine, at a discount rate relative to the parts costs on the 128i. Neither the 135 or 128 is a go green vehicle in any way. If you are looking for that, you shop elsewhere. I can make the same 120 hp from a 128 engine or a 135 engine. However when desired, the 35 is obviously more capable. That capability constitutes a "value". Granted it may be less efficient than another option in doing this. If I wanted a purist vehicle, Id have just bought an additional mercedes w123 chassis car or BMW E30 318i. It is finding the best combination of traits given the tradespace. If I were in Europe, my selections for a 1er would be different due to expanded tradespace. Here in the US, the 135i constituted the best option in my (irrelevant to everyone else) thought process. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 06:22 PM | #26 |
Lieutenant
32
Rep 484
Posts |
In previous tech talk columns, Mike Miller has also praised the 135i and called it (with 6MT) the sportiest new BMW you can buy.
Being the tech talk editor, Mike Miller obviously placed great emphasis on reliability, value, and preaches the "old school" way of driving. Which means the additional luxury features on the 135i are not necessary for the driving experience.
__________________
E60 528
|
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 09:50 PM | #27 | ||
Lieutenant Colonel
42
Rep 1,756
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Originally Posted by corneredbeast
An engine from a Z06 Corvette. A differential from a Vespa. Damn Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 09:51 PM | #28 | |
Major
178
Rep 1,041
Posts |
Thanks, this one worked great article!
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 09:55 PM | #29 |
TIM YOYO
1506
Rep 3,282
Posts
Drives: 2013 M3
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vero Beach, FL
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 11:13 PM | #31 |
Private
0
Rep 74
Posts |
I found that article really refreshing
An evaluation of the 1 on its own merits, not another purist lament that it isn't a 2002.
I don't know about you guys, but I find the 1's and the M3 are the most appealing drivers in BMW's current lineup. A 120d would be interesting as a DD I would think, but we'll never see it over here. |
Appreciate
0
|
07-15-2010, 11:24 PM | #32 |
Captain
64
Rep 671
Posts |
Gee, maybe I have ESP. I test-drove a 128 with an auto, and decided the same car with a stick would be a fun car to drive.
I decided a year ago to special-order a 128 with a stick and M-Sport. I've been very happy with the car. To a degree, it takes me back to my days with my first-year-USA VW GTI, back in '83. Just a simple, fun car to take out and drive quickly, whenever the mood strikes, though the 128 has made me appreciate RWD and weight balance for great handling. I applaud anyone for their BMW driving choice. Any model, any configuration. I will simply state that fun driving can put my bad mood into a good mood, and the 128 does that nicely. And, yes, I am older (57). But, come Monday morning, I will drive the 128 the long way to the bank to deposit my retirement check, and just blast around the countryside afterwards : ) |
Appreciate
0
|
07-16-2010, 01:56 AM | #33 |
First Lieutenant
10
Rep 358
Posts |
A big smile came across my face when my dad pointed out this article to me in the Roundel. I love my 128i and the great driving experience it gives me!
__________________
128i M-Sport: Le Mans Blue/Black Interior
6MT, Premium Hi-Fi, Ipod/USB, BMW CCA Member: Central California Chapter |
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 09:07 AM | #34 |
!
742
Rep 3,267
Posts |
Does anyone have a .pdf of this article? BMWCCA doesn't have this issue in their digital archive that I could see. Thanks.
EDIT: Okay, just picked up a hard copy on eBay, but if there is a .pdf available that anyone knows about, it would be nice to have as well.
__________________
____________________________ Last edited by Bimmer-Bob; 08-31-2010 at 09:15 AM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 09:14 AM | #35 | |
Registered
0
Rep 3
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 01:11 PM | #36 |
Captain
282
Rep 835
Posts |
Regarding economy, the rated gas mileage of the 128 and 135 are not very different, maybe 3 mpg more on highway with 128.
I think if you rev the 128 high enough to get in the sweet spot of the torque band vs the lower revs required in th3 135, there's probably no significant difference. |
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 01:54 PM | #37 | |
TIM YOYO
1506
Rep 3,282
Posts
Drives: 2013 M3
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vero Beach, FL
|
Quote:
A turbocharged engine is only a net positive when compared to a larger displacement engine that must move large volumes of air all the time.
__________________
His: 2019 R1250GS - Black
Hers: 2013 X3 28i - N20 Mineral Silver / Sand Beige / Premium, Tech Past: 2013 ///M3 - Interlagos Blue Black M-DCT Past: 2010 135i - TiAg Coral Red 6MT ///M-Sport |
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 02:31 PM | #38 | |
Captain
11
Rep 685
Posts
Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
|
Quote:
Also, both the 128i and 135i require you to "put down your foot and steer". To say you HAVE to shift in the 128i and not in the 135i is retarded. Both engines uses gears to their advantage.... To the guy that was having over-steer problems: I drift this car a lot, and it works surprisingly well considering the open diff. The trick is to be prepared for the torque hit when the turbos come on, it's almost like I progressively throw in counter-steer as the wheels spin harder from boost coming on. I agree, it IS much different than throwing around a NA engine. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 02:45 PM | #40 | |
Captain
282
Rep 835
Posts |
Quote:
Any comparisons out there for 128 vs 135? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 02:59 PM | #41 | |
Second Lieutenant
13
Rep 246
Posts |
Quote:
There is of course nothing preventing you from down shifting your 135 in such a situation, it's just not as critical. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 03:10 PM | #42 | |
Captain
11
Rep 685
Posts
Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
|
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
08-31-2010, 05:58 PM | #44 | |
Second Lieutenant
13
Rep 246
Posts |
Quote:
I can actually see a valid argument for the 135 taking less skill as a daily driver even if you are pushing it beyond legal limits (but not to either yours or the car's), having fun with on/off ramps, etc... With the 128, you have to better understand how the engine performs and how you need to work the transmission to get the best effect when playing with it like that. Because of the power of the 135, you can get away with being a little sloppy in how you apply the power (e.g. to go from 65 to 85 most people will be impressed with what the 135 will do in 6th while the 128 will require going down to 5th or even 4th to get that same "wow" factor). I would also argue that at the limits (e.g. track), the 135 doesn't take any more skill over the 128. They just take different skill sets (assuming the power train is the only difference between the cars) based on how they apply their power. Now I will agree that, because of the additional power and all that goes with it, you should have a higher skill set as the 135 is going to get to your personal limits before the 128 and result in more unprepared idiots in accidents. Don't get me wrong though, I think the 135 is a great car and would be getting it instead of a 128 if I thought that BMW knew how to build a sound turbo system (e.g. HPFP issues still not proven to be solved). They both have their own unique skill requirements and benefits/detriments. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|