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You've got to pay to play; simple as that.
Not my game, but don't see anything wrong with it if it's your "thing"
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09-19-2007, 12:18 AM | #28 | |
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09-19-2007, 12:22 AM | #29 | |
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It's also based on the assumption that you have any clue whatsoever why I live in San Diego. A career in politics might be worth looking into though... :biggrin: |
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09-19-2007, 12:29 AM | #31 |
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09-19-2007, 12:32 AM | #32 |
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Sorry guys. I have just always had a thing about people making financially illogical decisions. I guess it's a pet peeve. And Americans seem to excel at it. Over something like cars and it amplifies for me. Just seems plain silly. But that's just my opinion.
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09-19-2007, 01:02 AM | #33 |
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maybe this is off topic but I would rather spend my time and energy making more money then saving a couple k. Given equal amounts of time spent on both, I know which will make me more/allow me to save more in the long run.
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09-19-2007, 07:08 AM | #34 | |
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I'm not criticizing your decision. What I'm saying is that people value different things differently. Some people value (pending a test drive to confirm) the bundle of goods that the 1-Series offers highly enough to pay MSRP (pending confirmation of MSRP) for one. It's hard for me to see why you should care because it's not your money they're spending. |
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09-19-2007, 12:31 PM | #35 |
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all this talk about the price not being able to be lower than msrp on a brand new car untill maybe a year after is just stupid. The 1 series is a brand new platform that hasn't been established in the US, there are lots of interest around it concerning us car guys. But we are still a relatively small percentage compared to all the people that are looking at the 1er. When i looked at the infiniti G37S when it first came out, sure they were at MSRP, but after only 2 months, some forum members were saying they got as low as 1500 below MSRP. There were a lot of hype regarding the G37S and with motortrend's vote for the G instead of the 335i in their magazine it only heightened it. I dont know if the bimmer market is different than other makers in general since this will be my first. But i sure hope i'm right
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I can find just as many counter-examples for you, though. Shelby GT 500, Corvette Z06, Honda Civic Si, Honda Fit (!!) ... all of these cars went for MSRP for at least the first year they were out. The Shelbys still go for more than sticker.
A lot of it will depend on how many cars BMW sends to the US. Is anyone aware of projected numbers? |
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I'd wager somewhere between 15-20,000 cars per year in the US. That's a little more than the Z4 and a pretty good ballpark for a first year new model.
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There is nothing unethical about it, my friend. So it is unethical to inform a dealership holding my deposit that there are other dealerships offering better deals on the 135i? I don't comprehend your logic! The money I placed on the car is mine and, to be frank with you, I can do whatever I like with it. You don't see me knocking you for choosing ED, which makes no sense to me unless you are doing it for the experience. But I am not going to take a week or two off to go to Europe just to save a couple of grand when I will end up losing more money from my business.
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09-20-2007, 11:45 AM | #40 | |
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Never, EVER, had buyer's remorse on that one. There weren't many folks that got one who didn't do what I did. If Honda brought the current JDM '08 Civic Type R, I'd buy that sight-unseen, too. Any regular-production car, like a 135i or my current STI, I will wait until I can get what I feel is a fair deal, and then jump. I don't need to be the first one on the block to have a car. I can be the last one on the block, really, as long as I get the thing |
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The deposit is fully refundable and you will be able to check out the car in person and drive it before placing the order(at least thats how it works here in Dallas). Pretty much the only thing you'll be taking a risk in is color choice, but most of the colors are already available in other series so that shouldn't be that big of an issue.
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09-24-2007, 06:44 PM | #43 |
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There'll be lots of hype and deals made at MSRP (or more) for a few months...maybe a half a year or so. This all reminds alot of when the Honda S2000 came out. You take any sporty niche car like this that's new and hot and plenty of people will line up at the door well beforehand to satisfy the Jones's. They were giving S2000's away a couple years into it.
It wont last forever though. I can see the 128's maintaining better sales figures over the long haul just because it will be priced more in line with what the average person would feel comforable affording for a nichy type car like this. (And it will be within the budget of many more of the youngsters compared to the 135's) The 135 will be the hot car of course, and the people who are dead set on one will have it quickly. After that it becomes more of a hard sell to the non car-buff crowd. |
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