About the horsepower controversy

[MyCorvette]

Seems like a give-and-take issue. Since the first priority of a merchant should be: customer satisfaction (should be considered common sense?). I am very curious how people will react, suppose this happens in the future (let's just assume/imagine. So please don't flame me that it is technically, or commercially, or politically impossible and unnecessary etc., let's just suppose it happens):

20xx M3 (~3500lb) provides TWO engine option,

Option 1: 450 hp/450 lb-ft torque
Option 2: 1000 hp/1000 lb-ft torque

and this is the key point: both option sell for the same price, same taxation (no gas-guzzler tax etc., of course the 1000hp engine may has lower mpg, like 135 compared to 128). Both engines have the same weight, same reliability, same warranty etc.

My question is: if you are in the market of purchasing a M3 at that time, which engine option will you choose?

[SlicktopTTZ]

Option 2. Also, open up a credit line with Discount Tire.

[MyCorvette]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Option 2. Also, open up a credit line with Discount Tire.

Okay, to be fair let's add this:

BMW also provide a 'power+' button in the dash, when you enable it, the engine ecu will release the full power that the engine can make; when it is disabled (default mode), the user can program in iDrive that how many hp the ecu will release (for example if I want my M3 drives like a 335 in daily purpose, I set the program to only release 350hp when the button is not pressed).

[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by felixcat

Okay, to be fair let's add this:

BMW also provide a 'power+' button in the dash, when you enable it, the engine ecu will release the full power that the engine can make; when it is disabled (default mode), the user can program in iDrive that how many hp the ecu will release (for example if I want my M3 drives like a 335 in daily purpose, I set the program to only release 350hp when the button is not pressed).

Dude, who the f*ck wouldn't want that?




Sounds like an electric engine.

[Pete_vB]

I know the old adage "there are no stupid questions"... But this one might be the exception that proves the rule.

A hypothetical leap too far for me, I'm afraid...

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

I know the old adage "there are no stupid questions"... But this one might the exception that proves the rule.

A hypothetical leap too far for me, I'm afraid...

+1

Neil

[spiderz17]

What's this have to do with the 1M?

[PyratOne]

delete thread

[Mu Mu]

lol. Senseless thread is senseless.

Lock thread!

[jeremydgreat]

God you guys are brutal.

[blueshark]

Not a bad hypothetical question, particularly in this era of higher fuel prices.
of course, the 1,000 hp option would be much heavier, and the car would be even less practical (not to mention unbalanced!).

[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by blueshark

Not a bad hypothetical question, particularly in this era of higher fuel prices.
of course, the 1,000 hp option would be much heavier, and the car would be even less practical (not to mention unbalanced!).

Why does it have to be much heavier?

[MyCorvette]

Guys as I have said at the beginning, please don't flame me that it is technically, or commercially, or politically impossible and unnecessary etc. If you are not interested, just pass it. Once you reply, it means my words really hit something in your mind.

Larger hp and larger engine does not mean heavier. Take 2011 Mustang for example, V6 coupe (305hp): 3750lb, V8 coupe (412hp): 3658lb.

Also think about the VW Golf GTI W12, do you think putting a 650hp bi-turbo into a golf is illogical?

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Dude, who the f*ck wouldn't want that?




Sounds like an electric engine.

This was already done on the E60 M5. In the normal, default mode, the ECU restricted the engine to 400hp. Once the M button was pressed, it would put the ECU into P500 mode to unleash the full 500hp. I believe there was also a P500S mode accessible only from iDrive that would also sharpen the throttle response.

[escobar929]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

I know the old adage "there are no stupid questions"... But this one might be the exception that proves the rule.

A hypothetical leap too far for me, I'm afraid...

[MyCorvette]

Originally Posted by formula M

That^ is a 107hp difference... not a 550hp difference.

The key point is not the 107hp, the most important thing is a V8 equipped car is approx 100lb lighter than the same car with V6 engine.

That is only a NA engine. Within the turbo charging domain, small tweaks (software, turbo sizes) can easily let a engine increase a significant amount of output.

Therefore in my original post, option 1 could be just a detune version of option 2.

20 years ago no one can even think of, or predict a 500hp+ engine in a BMW product (if I say a 500hp+ BMW engine in 1980, we will see the similar responses like what we see here right now). What will happen in the next 20 years?

[hlmiii]

Originally Posted by felixcat

Once you reply, it means my words really hit something in your mind.

Uh, yeah. That would be hitting the neurons screaming ... "FAIL."
At either horsepower or torque option.

[SlicktopTTZ]

So, who here thinks 451 rated horsepower is too much power for the 1M to have and still be a great car?

[bballgms]

it would be great and fantastic if the m1 had 380hp, but most likely going to be round 350.

[burrito007]

Originally Posted by felixcat

Also think about the VW Golf GTI W12, do you think putting a 650hp bi-turbo into a golf is illogical?

yes very. you had me interested in this thread until you said this.

[crzy4135i]

Originally Posted by felixcat

Seems like a give-and-take issue. Since the first priority of a merchant should be: customer satisfaction (should be considered common sense?). I am very curious how people will react, suppose this happens in the future (let's just assume/imagine. So please don't flame me that it is technically, or commercially, or politically impossible and unnecessary etc., let's just suppose it happens):

20xx M3 (~3500lb) provides TWO engine option,

Option 1: 450 hp/450 lb-ft torque
Option 2: 1000 hp/1000 lb-ft torque

and this is the key point: both option sell for the same price, same taxation (no gas-guzzler tax etc., of course the 1000hp engine may has lower mpg, like 135 compared to 128). Both engines have the same weight, same reliability, same warranty etc.

My question is: if you are in the market of purchasing a M3 at that time, which engine option will you choose?

1000hp, of course!

The 1M needs 380-400hp to make me very happy but I know that won't happen. I thought about getting one anyway and chipping it but not sure I want to play that game.

[Robert]

I take the less hp one. Because one can't make the leap to conclusion that the 1000hp equals to a faster car. 1) engine could be detached from drivetrain, 2) 1000hp vehicle could be on a lift, 3) there's no gas tank on the 1000hp, are among numerous other possibility making the 1000 hp immobile