AW 1M stripped to the bones from Sweden

Fundahl · 02-29-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MPBK

I'm assuming they will install all custom built mechanical parts, including engine, suspension, etc.
If they're going to strip it to this level, isn't it cheaper to start with a 128i shell instead of a 1M? Is it just the fender flares they are going after?

The 1M even has different sub-frames. There are likely lots of stuff they will still use off the 1M. And now they don't have to mess with little things like the body work, ECU, N52 - N54 swap, etc.

BrokenVert · 02-29-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fundahl

The 1M even has different sub-frames. There are likely lots of stuff they will still use off the 1M. And now they don't have to mess with little things like the body work, ECU, N52 - N54 swap, etc.

even?

Thats basically one of the only differences.

I agree it would make more sense to start with a 128 if this was going to be a built up racecar with a possible engine swap.

Fundahl · 02-29-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

even?

Thats basically one of the only differences.

I agree it would make more sense to start with a 128 if this was going to be a built up racecar with a possible engine swap.

In that case, why not just find a damaged car and make sure the frame is straight?

I'm telling you guys, I bet they are going to use many parts from the 1M. You skip a bunch of steps by using a good platform to start with.

I doubt they are doing custom control arms, sub-frames and differential...

Or maybe it was just for the bodywork? Maybe there are some other reasons that either of us can't come up with?

I don't think it would make any more sense to start with a 128i. Hell, for a REAL strict, tube-frame race car, it'd be stupid to start with a car frame anyway!

Satalite · 02-29-2012, 03:12 PM

I WANT that hood...

BrokenVert · 02-29-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fundahl

In that case, why not just find a damaged car and make sure the frame is straight?

I'm telling you guys, I bet they are going to use many parts from the 1M. You skip a bunch of steps by using a good platform to start with.

I doubt they are doing custom control arms, sub-frames and differential...

Or maybe it was just for the bodywork? Maybe there are some other reasons that either of us can't come up with?

I don't think it would make any more sense to start with a 128i. Hell, for a REAL strict, tube-frame race car, it'd be stupid to start with a car frame anyway!

Not necessarily, accidents can leave unwanted stress in frames even if it isnt bent. An accident frame is not the best starting point for a real(ish?) team.

Also im tired of hearing this...THE 128 AND THE 1M ARE THE SAME BASIC PLATFORM. Subframes, steering rack, Diff, wheels, tires, transmission, and engine are the only differences.

Now, if you plan on swapping out the engine (like im assuming these guys are doing) than you also need to swap out the transmission and differential in order to bring the most out of the engine and to properly gear it. If you are building a racecar you are also inherently changing the suspension/wheels/tires anyway so that difference doesnt matter.

Subframes are relatively cheap and can be bought from from dealers, or even made by the team themselves which is not an uncommon practice as teams can custom design them with lighter materials.

But then again race teams usually start off with the highest spec car so that they can have the name. Hell Turner Motorsport (I think) runs one of the limited edition frozen gray M3s...just because, even though it cost considerably more than a standard M3.

Point is who the hell knows.

Die ///M Rakete · 02-29-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Satalite

I WANT that hood...

+1 On the hood. Now THERE'S a hood worth drooling over

Stig'sM3 · 02-29-2012, 05:29 PM

maybe they will drop a v10 from an m5 in there...

BrokenVert · 02-29-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by egt135i

maybe they will drop a v10 from an m5 in there...

I dont hope that. The S65 will totally run the weight distribution of the car.

I personally want another Plasa Style car

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...26&postcount=1

RIP Georg

MPBK · 03-01-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fundahl

In that case, why not just find a damaged car and make sure the frame is straight?

I'm telling you guys, I bet they are going to use many parts from the 1M. You skip a bunch of steps by using a good platform to start with.

I doubt they are doing custom control arms, sub-frames and differential...

Or maybe it was just for the bodywork? Maybe there are some other reasons that either of us can't come up with?

I don't think it would make any more sense to start with a 128i. Hell, for a REAL strict, tube-frame race car, it'd be stupid to start with a car frame anyway!

It depends on what the purpose of this exercise is.
If it was to create an all out race car, sure, don't start with a car frame.
I think the purpose is marketing. To show what their shop is capable of doing.
When it comes to marketing, minimizing costs is not an overriding factor. The final product has to look good and be recognizable as a prestigious product.
That's what explains them starting with a 1M.
The whole follow us on the internet is part of the marketing: creating buzz.

Don't pull your hair off about this or that mechanical bit. It's more like clothes that you see a fashion model wear on the catwalk. Showcasing the designer and brand, not necessarily selling that particular piece.

robertm · 03-01-2012, 09:22 AM

This isn't being built to be a race car. The cage is cool but won't pass any sanctioned race body I'm aware of here or in Europe.

MPBK · 03-01-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by robertm

This isn't being built to be a race car. The cage is cool but won't pass any sanctioned race body I'm aware of here or in Europe.

Thanks for the observation.
That provides credence to my own observations in my previous post.

In that context, a supped up 128i doesn't have the same ring as a supped up 1M.

Juiced1M · 03-01-2012, 09:38 AM

oh my!

Pete_vB · 03-01-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

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Originally Posted by egt135i

maybe they will drop a v10 from an m5 in there...

I dont hope that. The S65 will totally run the weight distribution of the car.

The V10 is the S85, not the S65.

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Originally Posted by robertm

This isn't being built to be a race car. The cage is cool but won't pass any sanctioned race body I'm aware of here or in Europe.

You say that because the main hoop doesn't have a cross brace, I assume?

I hope you're wrong about it not being a race car. Caging a street car is a particularly bad idea. The cage design does have some strange elements...

robertm · 03-01-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_vB

You say that because the main hoop doesn't have a cross brace, I assume?

I hope you're wrong about it not being a race car. Caging a street car is a particularly bad idea. The cage design does have some strange elements...

Exactly. Frightening to think about how much the shoulder straps would be able to stretch if they were attached 2 ft behind the seat instead of 6".

Will be cool to see what they do with it regardless. Money is obviously not much of a concern.

James T. Kirk · 03-01-2012, 12:46 PM

To strip it that far for a project... there's only one thing they're going to do with that 1M... BEHOLD THE FUTURE...
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Ender_ · 03-01-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Also im tired of hearing this...THE 128 AND THE 1M ARE THE SAME BASIC PLATFORM. Subframes, steering rack, Diff, wheels, tires, transmission, and engine are the only differences.

Keep going, suspension, axles, breaking system, body panels (other then roof/hood/trunk), traction control system (MDM), exhaust...

Its probably easier to say they share a frame, interior and roof/hood/trunk. See that sentence was much shorter. Your one touchy little guy.

BrokenVert · 03-01-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ender_

Its probably easier to say they share a frame, interior and roof/hood/trunk.

Thats what a platform is buddy...

Also insults and a condescending tone really get your point across well.

tkbr0wn · 03-01-2012, 03:45 PM

I think they should have started with an Automatic Convertible. Same basic platform, minus the roof and stuff...

BrokenVert · 03-01-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

I think they should have started with an Automatic Convertible. Same basic platform, minus the roof and stuff...

No its a different platform.

E82 vs E88

Is a 128 coupe an E82? - yes it is.

Is a 1M an E82? - yes it is.

therefore they share the same basic platform.

Is a 135 vert an E82? - no, no it is not. As weve established earlier it is an E88

therefore they do not share the same basic platform.

Ender_ · 03-01-2012, 04:04 PM

You Mad Bro?

BrokenVert · 03-01-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ender_

You Mad Bro?

Worst. Troll. Ever.

no wait I take that back. tkbrown is

BrokenVert · 03-01-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete_vB

The V10 is the S85, not the S65.

Yeah you got me there. Ive been pulling too many late nights this week

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