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Porsche Cayman S - 320 bhp Lotus Evora - 276bhp BMW 1M - 335bhp (unconfirmed) That looks like a pretty tight group to play in.
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To the second statement, the same could be said for the M3, why pay 60 for just a 3 series. But if this is your mindset, you don't quite get that "feel" of the //M car Dr. Kay speaks of. |
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Sure someone might - I might if the 1M ends up under-performing, not that I think it will. Evora is a cracking 2+2, more functional that a Cayman too:
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I see cars in the earlist stage but I have other projects to work on that I cannot afford to be distracted as I have many projects not only for cars but I also conceive stuff for BMWTV.de The German only BMW TV channel which in some cases do not involve cars. With each project now we have started to do Pre-visualisation on the computer because we can show it to the director and production crew and explain this is the angles we want to get the perfect shot.
The time window for this car is extremely tight and originally enthusiasm was not apparent until Dr. Kay Segler came to the M Division. We had initially toyed with the idea of an 1M when we were conceiving the Coupe and did work with evaluation models then using the engine from the E46 and the upgraded E46 CSL engine but it proved to be too heavy for the car. Originally in the early days of marketing the standard 135i was originally meant to be an M model. The 1M that stands before you now has had possibly the most progressive stage from thought-production turnaround for a BMW. There had to be a lot of arm-twisting in the BMW Board because of the tight window between generation 1 and generation 2 of the Coupe. The proposal was greenlighted when BMW decided to use the Coupe model for the BMW eDrive evaluation. Therefore slightly extending it's life cycle. When I first saw the car it was in a design studio as a full scale claymodel but since then some designers ideas have to make way for aerodynamics and engineering. The initial engine proposal was the N55 but they were having issues that cannot be solved within the time window. BMW Greenlit this car in July 09, now over a year later we see it as it intended , although testing still commences until the launch. Valvetronic was the main cause of the time delay but BMW have spent some time on this and are using the N55 as a basis for the next M3. The best way to describe the engine of the 1M is a "Hybrid" but in the original form of Hybrid, nothing to do with "alternatives", but it is not a straightforward transplant. There is a lot of this car that will carry over for the next generation 1M in which that car will switch to four cylinders to which the M Division engineers are already working on the basics without time constraints or restrictions. 1M (E82) is showing what is possible in a small timeframe 1M (F22) will show what is possible once you do not have restrictions. |
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Thanks SCOTT.
This appears to confirm that the N54 will be the basis of the 1M. Interesting....and slightly disappointing....I am also guessing they will be making it a lot more difficult to tune than the initial N54 engines... The iS N54 pushes, what, 330 BHP? With an overboost function as well? I would say that BMW would need to put at least another 30 BHP on the 1M to make it worth it....which is right at the 360 mark that SCOTT mentioned so long ago....
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He had mentioned that a while back as well.
F20 1M--4 cylinder with turbos F30 M3--I6 with turbos
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I'll see about posting a better quality blowup of that section tonight from to original photo, but it looks like c/f to me too.
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True enough, but that doesn't make my reaction any less relevant.
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I think a 4 cylinder with a 9000 RPM redline could be lot of fun.
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Makes me wonder if there will be any I6 engines in the next generation 1er....
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Don't get me wrong, it looks like it could be a phenomenal car, but I have that one nagging doubt (truth be told, I think the M3 has gotten rather absurdly expensive as well, but it's also gotten more and more sophisticated with each generation).
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Thanks SCOTT.
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Or two larger turbos with better exhaust manifolds? (although "log" manifolds often spool quicker than tubular, with reduced top-end performance)
Also, more aggressive camshafts would be a MAJOR plus! I'm excited. |
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