12-17-2010, 11:54 AM | #45 |
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The BMW 1M is going the direction of a more organic life-form look.
Audi maintains its Iron Man square face look. Behold the abomination...
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12-17-2010, 01:16 PM | #46 |
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Aesthetics alone, baring any difference in picture quality, the RS3 looks so much sharper.
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12-17-2010, 01:25 PM | #47 | |
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and that makes sense. if you're racing, the upshift is more important. you want to eek out every millisecond advantage you can. conversely you downshift under braking so you dont need the more natural motion. lets see some examples: sequential stick shift: more natural motion? pull back. how do they do it in racing? bull back! coincidence? NO! paddle shifters: more natural motion? pull back! lefty or righty? most people right handed so right paddle upshift? YES!! coincidence? NO! race bikes: more natural motion? step down. how do they do it in racing? step down! dedicated weekend racers will convert the standard shift pattern on their bikes to a "race shift pattern" wrc style single paddle: pull = upshift, push = downshift, paddle on right side skoda wrc style steering wheel rings: pull = upshift, push = downshift honda motorcycle Dual clutch: trigger pull = up, thumb button push = down and the list goes on... lets see your dad refute all of the above examples... |
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In practice, it feels really awkward and just plain backwards. |
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12-17-2010, 03:41 PM | #51 |
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Wow 235 front 225 rear what is going on.
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12-17-2010, 11:02 PM | #56 |
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The A3/S3/RS3 aren't quattro. The only actual quattro left are the A4 and A6. The rest use the same trash haldex on demand dif you get in a Ford. Audi took a page from VWs book and screwed up their engineering cred with it, then proceeded to draw attention to it with their truth in engineering ad campaign
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12-17-2010, 11:11 PM | #57 |
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Honestly I think we would have to see both cars in person before judging their looks but I would have to go with the BMW. The Audi being FWD and no 6MT completely kills it not to mention its a hatch...
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12-17-2010, 11:57 PM | #58 | |
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12-18-2010, 06:07 AM | #59 |
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Veyron is also Haldex based, just thought I'd throw that out there.
On more normal models the general rule is Haldex is used on the tranverse engine layout platforms and torsen on the longitudinal layouts. Other cars using Haldex include the Saab X, the Volvo XC70/90 ect. The latest generation (genIV) is much improved on the older models, it was released sometime in 2008. They got rid of the hydraulic pump and replaced it with an electric pump to build pressure, coupled with a proportional pressure release valve, so when the rear wheels demand torque, the valve closes and hydraulic pressure is already there so unlike the the older versions it can operate independent of slip i.e. as in the older cars you would notice/need a little bit of front wheel slip to build pressure in order to engage the haldex clutch before the rear got power. Now it distributes torque based on steering angle, throttle input, speed & slip and can apply it instantly when desired due to the pressure needed to engage the clutch being pre charged by the electric pump. Another plus is they actually made the system lighter to while making it function better. 4 wheel burn out's can be done if that's your thing. Bahhhh, four wheel burnout, bap, bap, bap, bap Performance wise I think the 1M will be a more engaging machine. It is interesting to look at the torque spread, the 5 clyinder Audi engine is very impressive with peak torque over a wider rpm band than the 1M and peak power holding to higher rpm also. Looks wise, the RS3 would seem to be more of a sleeper, whereas the 1M looks maybe overstyled beside it. That department will be down to personal tastes i suppose. Last edited by conneem-TT; 12-18-2010 at 06:14 AM.. |
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12-18-2010, 06:43 AM | #60 |
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The 1M looks more sexy, while the RS3 looks okay, but the exterior is pretty boring (I'd say as it used to be by Audi). The Audi interior however is way more classy. But I'm absolutely sure the 1M is much more fun to drive. No doubt I'd prefer the 1M.
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12-18-2010, 07:24 AM | #61 | |
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Lamborghini 4wd systems are Haldex based as well, including the new Aventador. |
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12-18-2010, 07:40 AM | #62 | |
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the bimmer's back is definitely sexier, more aggressive. I like the front bumper and the air curtain but I never liked the headlights, they never fitted into bmw's profile. I like audi's front, all of it but its too shiny too much bling.... i had circles in any interior so audi's interior really suck... the bimmer is same bland look. I think the audi will win tho I am 1M fan... i still will buy the bimmer..
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12-18-2010, 09:30 AM | #64 |
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I think the styling of the 1M is going to win out over the Audi over the long run. 10-15 years now, it will still look like a BMW and a nice one at that. Over the same time the RS3 (and most Audis for that matter) will become really dated; the front is too wild, and the rest of the car too boring.
I've always thought the Audi's biggest problem was that they never developed a consistent design language for their cars that could connect from one generation to another. You can definitely tell that the 1M is related to an E30 or even a 2002. |
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12-18-2010, 10:45 AM | #65 |
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I heard that the new RS3 did the ring in 8.09. I dont know what the source of this is though. We have already heard the time of 8.12 for the 1M. It will be interesting to see how the 1M and RS3 compare.
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12-18-2010, 11:19 AM | #66 |
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Hot hatches are coming http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publi...cle_2831.shtml
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