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11-17-2009, 02:11 PM | #47 |
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So how long and what are we looking at as far as pricing goes for Dinan's. Also it seems that it would not be very hard to fabricate your own....
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11-17-2009, 02:42 PM | #48 |
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what if we dont want a BOV?
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11-17-2009, 02:52 PM | #49 | |
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Good luck with your development, it does look like an interesting version and I hope you Dyno result prove to be good.
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11-17-2009, 03:06 PM | #50 | |
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Can you cite some source for this? 250 microns is pretty damn small. |
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11-17-2009, 10:34 PM | #51 |
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This intake looks cool but AFE has a closed intake coming out for around $700 that looks much nicer I think. It was on display at the SEMA show.
Also I am concerned it is only pulling from the stock 3"x4" snorkel just like the stock intake. I heard the lid was removed for the 500+hp runs making it like a dual cone. Can ASR confirm? |
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11-17-2009, 10:47 PM | #52 |
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Just to put the pricing pieces together.
The ASR system has both the charge pipe, BOV, and the closed intake w greater volume capacity and flow than the pic just added above (JackFlash)...if you take the TIAL BOV typical charge pipe price point, and the intake price point, add some other minor features, and essentially, we're at the same price point as that mentioned for the system shown at SEMA or the pic Great to have options...at least now you can see real products coming to the market that address the requirements, rather than just being a simple bolt-on that actually takes away value from the OEM system |
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11-18-2009, 06:44 AM | #53 |
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I predict: stock CAI (which is already a closed cold air-intake system, only with a panel filter, in stead of two cones lol) performs better than this aftermarket setup. Only Gruppe M for me looks like an alternative, but again, that's very close to stock and it will perform as good as stock (at it's best). Only replacing the panelfilter by conefilters, does not give a seriously powergain. By the way, CAI's on a turbo engine like BMWN54 are in a way useless.
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11-18-2009, 07:13 AM | #55 |
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I'm putting my money on the CAI from Dinan.
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11-18-2009, 10:05 AM | #56 | |
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11-18-2009, 10:46 AM | #57 |
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I hope many of you don't take this the wrong way, but I see a couple of people here making assumptions and so called "predictions" based on pure speculation and conjecture with no factual data.
The fact of the matter is that we've datalog tested a stock airbox vs. several different models we designed including the final product. We've even gone as far as to test cone filters directly bolted on to the factory intake tubes. The result was loss of power along with increased intake temps both connected to the stock airbox and cones filters connected directly to the intake. Also, the front snorkel tube has mathematically more than enough surface area to support the intake flow required, even when VE is increased with addition of our scoops. As far as a stock airbox with a drop in filter working better than our intake, that is also mathemeticaly impossible. Lastly, the flat intake tubes that feed airflow to the turbos are not the limiting factor for stock turbos or even our TT upgrades. We have dyno tested our TT upgrades both with the stock intake tubes connected and completely disconnected with no change in performance at all. The fact that we saw no change in performance after disconnecting the stock intake tubes, proves the choke point is not the stock intake tubing. The only real choke point to even consider is the compressor inlet diameter. Which to be quite honest, is not choking the turbos enough to inhibit any great power loss. Otherwise, our TT upgrades would not have made 538whp/530wtq @20psi. In the end, it wouldn't make much sense for us to design an intake that would not support the VE needed for our TT upgrades. Truth is, no matter how much speculation and conjecture is made, we are the only company that has proven our intake system works better than stock and can support 538whp/530wtq with dyno sheets to back up our claims. The next step now is to dyno test it on stock turbos vs a factory airbox and collect datalogs to reflect the positive gains. |
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11-18-2009, 12:27 PM | #58 |
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Hi ASR,
Thanks for the replies. Would it be possible for you to share some of these datalogs and dynos of your revisions? I'm sure some visual proof would help us believe in your product. |
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11-18-2009, 01:01 PM | #60 | |
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As stated in my last post, we will be doing dyno testing and datalogging on a stock turbo car to show the benefits of our intake system. The testing will be done with the same car both with the stock intake and the ASR Intake back to back. Once testing is done we will be more than happy to post the results of the datalogs along with dyno sheets, as we have with all other products we manufacture. |
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11-18-2009, 05:43 PM | #62 |
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for $1500 dollars it should replace the pipes to the turbos as well as the last section near turbos as that is the real choking point in the intake system... You can make as much of a difference on the end of the intake tract as you want, but injen and BMS cones will have similar gains but a slightly higher temperature because thats not where the real bottleneck is at that point.
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11-19-2009, 11:48 AM | #65 | |
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Also, what yourself and many other memebrs don't understand is the labor time to replace all those intake pipes that you feel are the choke point. It's easy to make a statement saying that you should replace the intake tubes from the turbos to the airbox, when many people have never seen what it actually takes to do so. No one in their right mind is going to pay the ridiculous amount of time it would take to R&R these intake tubes, especially when you will not see any power gains even with our upgraded turbos. We have proven this already with our upgraded turbo 135i. Lastly, the air temp increase with the BMS and Injen intake is quite a bit more than you think it is. In case you're not familiar with BMW's adaptive ignition timing advance, it is directly relative to intake temperatures. Also, from a tuning perspective, each degree of intake timing advance produces more of a hp inrease than each lb of boost. Now if your intake air temperature is increased how do you think that will affect the ignition timing advance? |
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11-19-2009, 11:13 PM | #66 | |
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AND class dismissed, Abid will be here all week to help go over your homework in terms of physics and thermodynamics. But seriously, I cant believe that someone truly posted the AFE intake, I mean common did you even look at that closely while you were at SEMA. I am not here to bash another company but I would think that the reason that companies come out with products is to prove to be better than others. I think that if ASR did not have the backing of information that they do that they would not have started defending the product nor allowed us to market the product. Common guys give him some time to help us realize the true gains here. Just my $.02 |
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