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10-06-2007, 10:04 AM | #46 | |
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I am in agreement with youcompletely Garrett. I dont expect the EVO to completely demolish a 135i out the box. I do epect the EVO to have a slight performance edge since it has an LSD, AWD, and numerous handling systems. You were right in bringing up the 335i. Its a a fantastic handling car and the suspension wasnt even tweaked by //M. If you look at the slalom times for a 335i it is really quite high for a not so tiny car.
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10-06-2007, 01:18 PM | #47 | |
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am I missing something here....isnt an "EVO" a Mitsubishi Lancer?....albeit a tuned up one.... I don't mean to be flip, but are you guys planning to take your 135s and EVOs out to a track to test balanced and sharp handling?......can you actually determine the difference between balanced and sharp handling in normal street driving? |
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10-06-2007, 02:24 PM | #48 | |
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I imagine the handling will be sublime. The 135i might not handle bumps in corners as smoothly as some cars but the transition from straight line to cornering is one of the hallmarks of a BMW with a sports suspension. |
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10-06-2007, 03:15 PM | #49 |
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Heres the real question you should be asking as far a 0-60 is concerned.
"how wide tires can i fit under the rear before i have to tuck/roll/hack the fenders, or until inner body/suspension interference becomes an issue?" Im still waiting on the answer to this one, because all the power in the world is useless if you cant put it to the pavement. Then again, BMW usually focus's on ability to handle rather than raw acceleration. |
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10-06-2007, 03:29 PM | #50 |
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I like that the vehicle is slated to handle well, but honestly, I would be very concerned about spilling my coffee with hard cornering.....my biggest hope for the 135 is blistering off the line acceleration and 30-90 mph passing power.....to me, thats where the "rubber meets the road"....
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10-06-2007, 03:33 PM | #51 |
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10-06-2007, 04:12 PM | #52 | |
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245 was beefy about 10 years ago I'll be very disappointed if I cant get 255-265 under the rear. ofcourse I'm not opposed to taking a nice piece of PVC tubing and doing a little rolling. |
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10-06-2007, 05:45 PM | #53 | |
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Definitely rolling the fenders here |
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10-06-2007, 10:28 PM | #54 | |
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Yeah, but most stock 335's are right around 5.0 seconds. With BMW claiming 0~60 times of 5.1 for the 135i, I would guess the one'r will do it a tad quicker given BMW long standing tradition of underating their official claims. My guess is 4.9 seconds as a best case scenario and generally more like 5s flat. Although, thats only half the story, this One'r will have Brembo's upfront, so the breaking should be tight. This car will be an all-around performer and if you toss PROcede into the mix you be playing with Porsche's all day long. A moded suspension, bigger tires (how big?) and this car will be the ultimate sleeper. No sense in talking more engine(HP) other than what PROcede gives, because the limiting factor is possibly tire width. With these comming stock: 215/40 R 18 245/35 R 18 I'd like to at least get a set of these under the car: 225/40 R 18 255/35 R 18 If not something slightly bigger such as: 230/40 R 18 265/35 R 18 Only time will tell. -Garrett |
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10-08-2007, 03:44 AM | #56 | |
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As for the 0-60 MT vs AT...most AT with paddle shifters will shift faster than any human can. I am thinking about 5 flat. |
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10-08-2007, 07:19 PM | #58 | |
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I also happen to be, among other things, CEO of an engine technology company, with deep connections in the industry, and come from a family that has racing in its blood and has been racing for generations. I've personally removed the engine of my weekend car six times in the last year to replace clutches, alternators, entire transmissions, swap rear end ratio, etc, I adjust the valve gaps every 3000 km, etc. And you think I don't understand cars... You are actually comparing the 335i's handling to an Evo. You have no credibility. I am beginning to suspect that I am debating with a 14 year old Motor Trend fanboi... Dude, you are a car marketer's wet dream. Quintissential marque victim. Believe whatever you want. |
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10-08-2007, 07:26 PM | #59 | |
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The Evo IX is a total hoot - razor sharp, telepathic, even twitchy. But I wouldn't want to drive one every day. That's where BMW comes in... Great response for sporty driving, great stability, especially at speed, and absorbs bumps wonderfully without being pillowy or floaty. Also handles rough pavement well going straight or in turns. But certainly no track monster like the Evo. In a word, balanced. |
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10-08-2007, 07:45 PM | #61 |
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And don't forget: how skilled is the driver?
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10-08-2007, 07:48 PM | #62 |
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You know Garrett, I was going to give your crap a pass - then, hell I got pissed enough that I told the moderators to throw either you or me out - since they've decided to stay out of it, I gotta take care of your pathetic drivel myself.
You and I are going to have a confrontation. I am calling you out - I challenge you to list your automotive credentials and supply references that can vouch for those credentials - I ain't taking the word of your homies either - your references must be from adults, verifiable (oh wait I got it, your industry experience is as a towel boy at the local car wash ; -). I'll be more than happy to supply at least 10 references for mine (adults also by the way). I'll give you a bit of my credentials now so that you know what you're up against. I am a member of the Society of Automotive Engineers (heck I even have a wonderful certificate for that one). I have had the good luck to cover a number of long-lead and short lead press events in the past 10 years for manufacturers as diverse as Toyota, Ford, Chrsyler, GM, MB, Subaru, Porsche, and BMW. I've had driving sesions at the BMW PDC, at a rally school in Florida, at Spring Mountain Raceway, Road Atlanta, PPIR and Mont Tremblant. You don't even want to know the number of different cars I've driven in the past ten years (or the fact that I've driven Cobras at Romeo, a C6 Z51 at Milford and a really fun drive in a Dodge Charger police car at Chelsea). I've covered (as a journalist) the Indy 500, the Pike's Peak Hill Climb, and have attended more races then you are years old. I have standing press credentials at SEMA and have covered the Pebble Beach Concours twice since 1999. I am currently working on a history of Front Wheel Drive (ever hear of Riley Brett, Harry Miller, Ben Gregory, Gregoire - nope didn't think you would have). You can't afford to buy my automotive library - and since you're such an expert on 'sports cars' I would expect you to have a copy of 'Time and Two Seats' in your library (oh, sorry you've never heard of it have you). How about Pomeroy's 'Grand Prix' cars (oh, before your time - sorry). Any of Chris Nixon's books? (Nope, he's dead.) How about LJK Setright (nope, he's too hung up on Bristols - oh but they're basically BMWs so maybe you got something on that). I look forward to you providing me with the details of your vast treasure store of automotive expertise. (It has to be better than your English grammer. Oh and the sarcasm is part of the package - since you're so hung up on it. ; -) Oh and to make it worthwhile, why don't we put some money on it? Awaiting your reply. |
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I'll volunteer my auto credentials....
a 28 minute commute to Ft Lauderdale every day , with first a quick stop to Starbucks.....I use a dishtowel as a bib because the tightness of my sport suspension sometimes makes me spill coffee on my tie.....oh, and once every 2 weeks I go to the car wash for a "works" wash...$6 with a coupon.....:wink: |
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I think you have Garrett beat!
Sorry about the hijacking but these punk bully-boy poseurs are a regal pain in the butt - either we do something about it or they end up turning these boards into cesspools of fanboi group-think. |
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