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03-08-2012, 01:15 PM | #45 |
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I'm also aware that Helix requires cutting while ETS requires 0 cutting or any kind of modifications which is the reason alot of us go for the ETS 5".
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It's still some kind of trimming. I personally do not want to do any kind of trimming at all when putting on an intercooler. The manufacturers who designed the intercoolers should have been smarter like ETS and release 2 versions. One which requires no trimming at all and then a second bigger one for those that don't care and are willing to trim.
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03-08-2012, 02:09 PM | #48 |
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I trimmed very little for my Helix to fit my 135i. Its very minor and worth the hassle in my opinion. Its not like people will be able to tell you trimmed on the inside of the bumper anyways.
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03-08-2012, 03:10 PM | #50 |
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Any of them are better than stock. Trust me on this, once you pull the stock unit out you will be surprised that it works at all. It makes the stock IC on my old WRX look like a work of genius. Pics really don't show how big a pile of junk it is.
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And people who state that an intercooler makes 25hp, or whatever, don't seem to get it either. Intercoolers don't "make" horsepower. Intercoolers reduce the knock threshold and increase charge density, which allow the ECU to increase timing and fuel, which make horsepower. Another quote about 18psi is 18psi regardless of turbo size is also off the mark. Big turbos make cooler boost, small turbos make hotter boost, and when your boost is hot, you have less air molecules available per psi to make power. Which brings us to the fact that our engines are 10.2:1 compression ratio. This is high compression, folks. That means our turbos are designed to provide a small amount of boost to augment the high static compression ratio. I intend to modify my car to the tune of Dinan Stage 2 or Burger Stage 1. At 400whp, no doubt I need an intercooler. But at 350-380 crank horsepower, do I really need to dump a grand on an intercooler? Wow! Thanks for letting me vent. Last edited by 2012one35i; 03-09-2012 at 02:57 AM.. |
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03-08-2012, 08:35 PM | #53 |
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This. Is it metal trimming or plastic trimming?
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03-08-2012, 08:50 PM | #54 |
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Any FMIC is better than the stock IC. I've seen real world logs of 2 cars being compared side by side and the IAT's were consistently lower, by a lot!
I wouldn't be buying a FMIC for horsepower though, there's better ways to spend your money. It's good for consistent back to back runs as it minimises heatsoak and helps keep the temps down, which is all you could really want. If you are buying the FMIC for power gains, I can tell you from real world testing it's all top of 3rd gear and above. Don't expect anything in 1st and 2nd gear. There is a noticeable difference in 4th but not sure how many people go WOT in 4th! |
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03-08-2012, 09:08 PM | #56 |
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The trimming for an intercooler install is no big deal. This is just one of the many installs that is on this forum.
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But, would I notice any gains at this level of power with an upgraded intercooler? Hmmm...... http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D900-3...55.aspx#page=1 Last edited by 2012one35i; 03-09-2012 at 03:18 AM.. |
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03-09-2012, 07:11 AM | #58 |
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FWIW, I paid $599 for my AA sport IC in a GP that is still going on. The quality is top notch and appears to do exactly what I expected it to do.
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03-09-2012, 07:19 AM | #59 |
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I have Dinan Stage 2 and you will definitly notice the gain in power without the intercooler - Adding the intercooler is up to your driving style - i doubt it will add noticeable amounts of power but it will allow you to maintain that power for longer runs - I am also considering adding an intercooler and looking at FMIC or ETS right now - i am not looking to increase boost , but just the ability to keep power longer - if that makes sense -
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I also would prefer something that bolts in without having to make modifications to the car. At this point I'm leaning toward the ETS 5" intercooler if I decide to do the mod. I spoke at length with Harold from HP yesterday and he has the ETS intercooler on his 1M. It's making 400+ rwhp. He told me he went with the ETS because he didn't have to make any modifications to his car and because it allowed him to use the particular tune he was running, where the stock intercooler did not. Bottom line if I lived in a cooler region of the country I might not consider changing the intercooler with the Dinan Stage 2 tune, but living in the south it seems to make since to consider upgrading the intercooler if you have a tune to help reduce heat soak issues.
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Yup !! heat and humidiyt are also not too shabby in our parts
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Not really sure what problem he was having. He was running a HPF fmic which uses the factory c-clips and piping. Due to the weight of this intercooler it comes with extra support braces. As the stock intercooler is secured by one bolt at each end and c-clips at the piping it should not be an issue to put the stock one back. Most of the after market intercoolers are thicker than stock and just need a little more clearance with some of the plastic pieces inside the front bumper. If anyone is not comfortable doing a slight amount of trimming, the 5" ETS should be your ticket. No trimming required.
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We're starting to drift off topic again. I am hoping to keep this a generic intercooler thread. Not a "who's is bigger/better," but at what power level is it profitable, so to speak, to make the switch.
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03-09-2012, 02:18 PM | #66 |
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My Thoughts: Keep in mind, not all tunes are equal as far as power goes, so i am just basing this off of average WOT boost.
Stock boost
Up to a 12 psi tune
12-15 psi tune
>15 psi tune
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