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03-31-2009, 11:43 AM | #45 |
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That was a fair review. AFAIK, my installations went smoothly, but it seems that the catted downpipes and plenium were the real issues.
What I don't get is why they couldn't send Daniel out there to do the install. Flights are cheap, and from what they are saying, he can install everything in your driveway in less than one day I would say, "if Daniel can come out and install it with no problems, i will pay for his flight. If he can't do it, I want a full refund plus expenses."
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03-31-2009, 12:39 PM | #47 |
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Keith, thanks for you time to type this up. As a prospective mod buyer, this kind of market feedback is most welcome and important. Although I have and installed a RR oil catch can on my car with no problems, but I want to put other purchases on hold until I can get a clearer picture about whose products are the best on the market. Thanks for the info.
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03-31-2009, 03:23 PM | #48 |
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I bought my RR exhaust second hand, and I only had minor fitment issues, nothing like the OP's experiences. I have a small leak somewhere, which I believe to be a crappy gasket, nothing to worry about. There is no contact with the underbody on my exhaust, but the hangers in the rear had to be bent quite a bit to keep the tips away from the diffuser.
Those issues I would expect with any exhaust...especially one that is being shipped cross country and is subjected to bending and denting on it's way. The other Riss part I own is the OCC. When I first installed it everything looked great, but after 3000 miles and removing it to drain the oil from it, I realized that I was missing an o-ring on the upper part of the viewer tube. This caused oil to leak out and coat the bottom of the OCC with oil. Upon closer inspection I found that the part isn't made very well, but for it's average price I don't feel like I should complain too much about anything other than the o-ring missing. I will be contacting Riss to get it fixed. |
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03-31-2009, 03:36 PM | #49 |
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You have really low standards. No product should ever show up damaged from "normal" shipping. If it does it wasn't packaged properly.
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03-31-2009, 03:41 PM | #50 |
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When bought from a vendor I agree, but I don't think I would complain on a used exhaust. Not if it was easily fixable.
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03-31-2009, 04:23 PM | #53 |
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Well said Keith. But, didn't you notice all the extra "PULL" and power with the RR scoops? It's like 20 more HP!!! Anyway, I only have the scoops because they were given to me. I've been following your trials and feel for ya. IMHO, I wouldn't buy any of their products.
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03-31-2009, 04:52 PM | #54 | |
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In fact, RR's is likely not designed properly as it doesn't have any internal baffling (this is based on a strong assumption--I have yet to see any proof (internal picutres) to say otherwise). For alternative, consider a design such as this: http://www.saikoumichi.com/ (just an example, there's several different designs out there that are made correctly) simple and small, and is designed with proper internal baffling. A dual catch can setup would be ideal (although I have to review the PCV system for the BMW's...not sure if it would be feasible). This will easily fit although a custom bracket will have to be designed (aka piece of aluminum stock). EDIT: this is not the first time I've posted on this topic (for what it's worth) |
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03-31-2009, 05:05 PM | #55 |
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Ok, pics are working at home.
The intake is worse than I initially thought (when it was in black). The design just isn't right. Transitions from one size pipe to another should be made with a taper where there's thing much airflow involved, and the welds, they're huge. One of my old supervisors had a name for welds like this (usually when talking about mine)....gorilla welds. They're big and strong, but they're fucking ugly. It's just not needed for a part like this IMO, and I wouldn't put one on my car. The exhaust....WTF?! There's no way in hell that EVER fit a test car. It's a mile off. The sad part is, the exhaust actually looks pretty good, but you can't see it, and the parts you can see don't. |
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03-31-2009, 05:17 PM | #56 |
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Keith, I'm really sorry you've had to go through all this trouble for what should have been simple mods.
You've posted a very thorough review and have documented your experiences better then I've seen from others. I agree that we don't get enough of this and I tried to do the same when posting my reviews: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222148 http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228333 You can see in my reviews of Riss Racing products I did run into some issues and I'm sure you've seen my posted about the power steering bracket. Now even with these issues I would still continue to buy products from Riss Racing. I agree that there have been some fitment issues, but it's nothing that I wasn't able to work around relatively easily (unlike the issues you seemed to run into). In addition to that the support I've received from Riss Racing has been extremely good. For example when I had one of my diverter valves fail on me (the line to the intake track blew off because the threads stripped) I had a new one in my hands within a few days. I sent the bad one back and it seems like they were listening to my feedback because they later released a new design for the diverter valves, which I've now switched to. They have been very receptive of my constructive criticism. Like when I mentioned to Anthony that the bolts holding their midpipe to the axle back were way longer then they needed to be, he let me know that he appreciated the feedback and would include shorter bolts with the exhaust in the future. Because of my experiences with Riss Racing I feel confident that they will address the issues you've run into in a way that will satisfy people. Maybe that's a little idealistic of me, but I guess that's just the kind of person I am.
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03-31-2009, 05:59 PM | #57 |
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wow, interesting
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The stainless steel mesh inside RR oil catch can is equivalent to a baffle inside and better.
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03-31-2009, 06:46 PM | #61 |
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Very, very interesting. Great, thorough reviews OP.
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If I remember correctly, the mesh was added later to the RR can, but I'm not certain of that. I seem to recall seeing a thread where they made a change to it at one point.
So DangerLucas, I understand some of what you are getting at, but really, do you want to be a beta-tester for every single product they put out no longer how long it's been in production? From what I gather it sounds as if you ran into issues with just about every single part you got from them, but because they are super nice guys to talk to on the phone you find it ok. I'm just opposed to that. These are supposed to be bolt-ons, fitment issues should be an anomaly, not the norm. How many companies have you bought multiple things from that had to be returned and yet kept doing business with them when the problem was on their end? I've bought tons of stuff from Amazon, and they aren't really responsible for the defects most of the time, and yet I've returned fewer things to them than I have to Riss. And they picked up the shipping up front. It just doesn't matter that much to me that Riss is so willing (sometimes) to work with you to fix the problem. The problems shouldn't be occurring at these high rates to begin with. People should be saying "in the rare event a problem occurs, Riss is great about getting on the phone with you and getting it resolved ASAP" instead of "every time a problem occurs , Riss is great about getting on the phone with you and getting it resolved ASAP". |
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Keith,
As far as beta testing goes, to be honest, I really don't mind. That probably has something to do with my job though. I'm a Software Development Engineer in Test, so I actually like testing stuff and finding all the problems. That said I don't think this is something that every customer should be expected to do. Maybe Riss Racing should send all their new products my way for test fitting and I can give them feedback before it's released . Maybe they already do something like that, but if not I'm sure it would be helpful for them to get that feedback before release. Although I'm guessing someone more local might have to do it for them. I do agree that the problems shouldn't be there from the beginning though. I guess it would bother me a lot more if I really had a hard time with any of these installs, but as it stands I didn't. I also feel like the problems that I did have were very minor and were easy enough to work around that they weren't worth causing a big stink over.
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WOW, thanks for the thorough review. I was seriously considering their exhaust until now!! I can't beleive they won't even respond to this.. well, actually I can beleive it.. LOL!
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The list of responses from them I posted earlier is their crutch, and then they fall back on complete denial. And sometimes, as with the flange on the exhaust, they finally admit they screwed up. But it takes a lot for them to reach that stage. |
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