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Saturday I had to go back to the dealer to finalize some paperwork on my trade in, ( German Customs) and the car was not there any more. I wanted to get a picture for you. It was dark blue with the black dakota leather and iDrive, DCT trans, and M sport package. The dealer told me it was a Demo car and it was being shuffled around from lot to lot. That way if a customer wanted to place an order they would have a car to look at. The way it was optioned, it was ~45k. So said the dealer. And I don't know what the difference is between an E series and an F series. (2 door and 4 door?) It was a hell of a day!
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you made the righty choice for sure. Everything you posted was what I was fearing. I had a choice whether to get my 135is or wait for the 2er and after driving the latest 328 (which was quite frankly poor at best) I knew BMW would be watering down the 228 too. $45k for a 228?? OUCH |
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Stig it's getting a little silly here. There is no way you can modify a 128 to stock 135i power (hp let alone torque) without compromising warranty or reliability. And it probably won't compete with a 228 off the line, the torque is just not there. There are plenty of other attributes that make the 1 series better than the 2 to focus on. No reason to squander credibility on wishful thinking.
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DISA+SS headers+good tune should pretty easily put you at 285hp-300hp. None of that is going to compromise reliability. It's a factory intake manifold, some exhaust piping, and a tune. You will void your factory header warranty, nothing more. Given that my 128i weighs ~3050lbs(stock is 3100 and you can save a lot just with wheels) or less, this isn't "wishful thinking". Though I would agree there are plenty of areas where the F20 in general falls flat. And that's before we get into the awful N20 power curve.
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Well yeah, that is the largest offender across the board. Every one of the F chassis cars is a significant step down.
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I think it a choice from a vastly superior engine in the I4T (objectively better at everything) vs. really awesome discounts on existing stock of the 128i.
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Looking at that dyno graph it's rated at 222 hp at the wheel? Bmw rates it at 180hp at the flywheel for the 320i. Just surprised me. I didn't like the n20 at all.
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Carbon buildup is a valid concern. I don't understand the power curve comment. The I4T has a vastly superior power curve. Way more power and torque at low RPM. It's no competition. The I4T runs circles around the N52. Once the tuners get a hold of it there will be an even larger gap. Less reliable seems to be pure speculation, unless you are trying to count carbon buildup twice.
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Point out the turbo engine that is more reliable than its NA counterpart. Speed bump power curve:
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300-310 HP is achieved with meth. Dont know if it will run circles over the n52, seems to be the same when tuned to its limit.
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Given the choice of engines, I would go with the N20. I was recently loaned one while my car was in for service and it offered impressive pull compared to the N52. Lighter engine, more powerful, handles more power, likely easier to tune, better fuel economy. It's a win win. Even F1 is will be going back to small displacement, turbos next year.
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The N52 is lovely and if there was a 125i and a 135i for the same price I would not know what one to choose. But as our 135 was cheaper than all the 125's and it was the only I6 E82 available in an area of 300 km where we were in Germany on a business trip, decided to go the turbo route. |
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Listen, I've driven the 320i and 228i with the N20 engine. It's rubbish. Yeah it pull nice off the line but then fall flat on it's face around 4500 rpms. The engine is jerky, has no top end, and sounds like a diesel. I VASTLY enjoy my 128i. I drove all 4 cars before making my purchase. I drove the 135i and 128i the same day. Both with the triptronic transmission and I couldn't have told you which had a turbo and which one didn't. There was very little discernible difference between them. I drove the 320i and 228i the next day since the dealer wanted me too, and the N20 engine was bland. Like eating dry bread. Sure it gets the job done but just had zero character. My 6MT 128i is a blast to drive, and given the DISA manifold swap and tune yeilds ~40HP increase it seems like the logical thing to do. Besides turbo engine issues, reliability, and maintenance being a pain, why spend the extra for a car you have to drive at the speed limit? Ask any WRX STI owner about fuel cut under boost causing piston failure and just how expensive that is.... I don't understand why you have to shit on every 128i owner on this forum. Must you prove your car is superior to ours? Just be an enthusiast like the rest of us. Enjoy your car and leave it at that.
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Op asked which one of two cars. Not crapping on anything, I gave my opinion. I said before i like the 128, i happen to like the new engine better from what I've experienced. Too bad if you don't like it. There are engines I like better than the N54/55 but this thread wasn't asking about that. Sad and pathetic 'Have to drive the speed limit' argument is always enjoyed in threads. You have a 128 which tops out about 150mph in a country(USA) where the speed limit is less than half that yet you only drive the speed limit, come on dude. You drove a 128 and 135 back to back and couldn't tell the difference? That's a classic statement right there! |
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