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Actually I haven't purchased my M3 yet. Should be taking delivery by the end of the week. I put 23k miles on my modded 135i in a year. I don't need to defend my purchase as I've owned two N54 BMW's now and know why I traded up to the M3. As great as the 1M coupe will be, I know I'm going to enjoy the high revving N/A V8 a lot more. I could care less which is faster around the track. Hence why I went with a 6MT and not DCT as well.
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Comparing a modded car to a stock car is not useless at all.... when I buy a car I look at ALL my options in my price range and weight out the pros and cons. Some cars will require the aftermarket to get what I want, some won't....... Also, thank you for buying your M3 with manual transmission! |
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Besides I was 8 years old when the E30 M3 was being sold. I don't remember how it drove because I never drove one. Most nostalgia of old cars tend to be just that. Drive the car today and it's not as great as you think. For it's time, yes. But you can't drive an E30 M3 and an E92 M3 side by side and say you'd rather own the E30.
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Unless you have flogged one one on a track, stay away from making yourself look ignorant. In 5yrs it they will be worth more that all the other previous generation M3's on the road of like condition. I can say that I will take the E30 M3 over the E92 M3 anyday. Would you rather have an F50 or F430? Duh. T |
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11-03-2010, 08:24 PM | #96 |
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I am guessing that some day an M car will be electric powered. I wonder what this equivalent thread will look like then.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to point someone out. Just made an observation that a lot of people defending M3 currently owns one.
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concur with the above. n/a m engines response if staggeringly more instantaneous than n54. night and day difference.
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Here's a good read. It's a comparison between the E30 and E92. http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m3/201...mw-m3-e92.html Quote:
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for all the n00bs bashing E30 M3 here is the clip for you
yes, it is outdated and outperformed by many cars now. of course it is! it is almost 30 years old! what you have to remember is that e30 M3 beat its competitors by a huge margin during its era. to dominate so hard speaks volume about car's abilities. it is the sole reason for existence of today's M vehicles in BMW fleet. it is directly responsible why we have great resale value on M cars, on marque following and continued enjoyment. don't rag on it. ever. |
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Sorry, but some people seem to be putting the E30 M3 on a pedestal and it is making me silly. It was very succesful on the track etc. I have a friend here that has a very clean and well kept red one and I have driven others too.
What is special about them is that they are fun to drive like a spec Miata. Good handling(most of the time, they had a terrible rear axle design) and not too fast so you can run it through the gears and have fun. But... I would not give someone my cell phone, my plasma TV, iphone and the other great things new technology has provided me to go back 20 years.... So why then would I want give up my vastly improved and modern BMW to drive around in an old M3? Even for track days. They are loud, the engine is dying for balance shafts, and they are merely quick with fun, but not great handling. Try lifting the throttle mid turn in one and you can find yourself looking at the car that was behind you through your windshield. A classic and important car, yes, but not really a great car by todays terms. I know this will get me into lots of trouble, but many here are looking backwards through rose color glasses. I still love them but they are what they are. With a complete E9X M3 suspension and brakes, married to a modified and higher revving N54, I would take an 1M anyday. |
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11-04-2010, 06:26 AM | #106 |
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Not getting the arguments here. The M3 is obviously the superior car over the 135 and I'm sure it will continue to be so against the 1M.
While it might be technically possible, it wouldn't make any sense from a marketing and model perspective for BMW to release the 1M and have it out perform the M3. Yes you can mod things, but you can also strap a rocket engine to a tricycle - that doesn't make it better. The M3 will continue to be the better of the two cars, and for the price they're charging it had damn well better be. Besides, we all drive great cars compared to the average commuter. Be happy! |
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individual throttle butterflies? let's see which M cars have had them E30 M3 E36 M3 (the european one, not the cheap-ass US version) E46 M3 E92 M3 how about the M5? E28 had them E34 had them E39 had them E60 had them maybe the M6? the E24 had them so did the E63 Z3M had them Z4m had them so every M car made has had them except the X5/X6M. do you think it would be safe to assume they have all had them for a reason? i'll give you a clue, instant throttle response! i've driven the 135 and 335, and the X6M recently. i love the 135, great car, but it has turbo lag. even the X6M, tons of power, but it also had turbo lag. Generating power in a modern engine is no hard task getting a responsive, wide power/torque band etc are the tricky things some of the Evo's and Sti's can produce about 400hp from a 2 liter but try driving one when its off boost, its s l o w. Quote:
the point of an M car is having a car that one minute is a normal car, taking the kids to school, with regular pump gas, next minute you take it to a track, with stock tires, brakes etc and kick ass. not a 135 with the boost turned way up, a HPFP about to give out due to the increased load, with track tires, on race gas, that's horrible to drive on the road. also look up the word heatsoak on google, for another reason why a turbocharged M won't be as much fun to drive on the track another thing is what happens when the engine of the 135 approaches 200K miles? it won't be putting out that same power, i guarantee you. and what happens when something breaks? can you take that modded 135 to the dealer ? one look at the ECU and they will void your warranty and you are out on your own. whereas my M3, i can take it to the dealer, and have them cover everything because its stock and the engine can last me 200K miles. so to summarize, yes you can take a 135 and mod the hell out of it and make it faster than an M3 but that doesn't make it a better car on another note, to all those that knock the E30 M3 drive one first i have, i used to own a Henna Red E30 M3 and its the nicest, most responsive car i've ever driven fantastic engine 25 years ago, the car was way ahead of its time so when you judge it you compare it to other cars made in the same time period not by today's standards |
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why do people even want a turbo car to feel NA. A turbo car should not have excessive turbo lag, but otherwise let it be, let it spool.
There are many great turbocharged sports cars, none of which were trying to imitate NA engines. Some people on this forum act like turbos are sissy and don't belong on the track or in M cars. |
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it already frustrates me the 135i is quick enough to hold some pace with an m3... it is going to make me rather grumpy if this new 1m coupe is going to be an actual all around competitor and maybe quicker in some respects for a lower price.
the reason i have my m3 (aside from the obvious techy marvel it is and the incredible performance) is that it is an M car... not that many on the road... I kind of feel like this 1m coupe is going to flood the market because of its price point... yes its good for the sales area... but am i wrong with remembering that acura discontinued the RSX because it wasnt really in line with their company objectives? i feel like producing up cars that compete within the same brand is annoying! I'm still a lover of cars. a lover of engineering marvels... im sure the 1m coupe will be a great, fun, nimble, fast little beast but it still feels like a punch in the junk that it can compete with me for cheaper from the same company.
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