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Like the commercial says: It looks like it could fly.
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Take the wing away and it's not ridiculous looking, though not my cup of tea. It's just an extremely hot little car that probably give you a lot of performance for the money. But with the wing, which the EVO X still has, it's more like: Especially the first one. Please tell me you've seen the first one. I know these are both fast cars. But they are not airplanes. They do not fly. |
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I don't want to hate, I was a previous STi owner myself, but how much "new" tech is actually in those cars to warrant their prices?? I mean 50+for an EVO?
I know a lot of the marketing says they put tons of tech into the cars, but what actual new tech are is in the cars, does the STi have a new AWD system (one that's different from last gen STi), does the EVo have a new Active Yaw??? |
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At my age I should want that but I'm so over it. I'm looking for discreet speed.
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The STi and the Evo do not fit the latter, at all. They are fast, and don't even necessarily look like it. Whether you like the looks is irrelevant. |
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The chassis is based on a FWD sedan platform, the brakes are probably similar and the suspension has absolutely nothing innovative in it. The only bit that is technologically more advanced is the AWD system - and it's a very good one. Especially that active center diff... Essentially that's why you pay $15k more over the basic Lancer. But it adds technlogical complexity, weight and a heavy layer between your inputs and the car's outputs. For example - it's very easy to drift with it right from the very first drive - I did it with the wife in the passenger seat and the salesman in the back on my 3rd corner. It's also difficult to overcook it or spin it - you have to do really dumb things in it. That to me makes it a less desirable driver's car, because it cushions you and it's harder to learn from the mistakes. What I am lookiing for is a more honest driver's car: powerful engine up front, RWD and a balanced chassis, to make my own mistakes, learn, and have the most possible fun in the process. That's just my opinion, there is no need to flame or argue the point, I'm just as happy that the Evo exists at all in the US... So my point was that it's a $15k drivetrain in a $15k chassis, with another few grand thrown in to various bits (seats, whatever). There's nothing wrong with this approach, I'm not knocking it down, I just want something else right now... Quote:
2. The superior grip is strictly a function of better tires - put the same tires in the 135 and it will be virtually identical. 3. I doubt it has superior handling - perhaps you meant a tighter suspension? The Evo is not very well balanced and uses that complex AWD system to compensate and make it handle more like a - get this - RWD car. :smile: The 135i is far more transparent in this regard, starting from a better premise - 50-50 distribution. Also, there is truly nothing to separate the suspension setups - both have struts up front, and the BMW rear suspension is actually probably better. I've driven the Evo VIII and IX MR at a time where I drove a 330i ZHP - and felt it didn't really give anything away to the Evos. Sure, the suspension was not as hard - but I could have changed that anytime I wanted. Again, I could have thrown in a set of DOT R tires but didn't feel the need to change street tires every 5k miles... :iono: I am fairly convinced that a 135i with suspension and track tires will be the equal of a stock Evo - perhaps even faster. There is no magic here... Quote:
So what? I drive a 335i and all I did to it was a mild boost controller - but on this short stretch of highway near my house I can get it to bump into the speed limiter (150 mph) without breaking a sweat (empty road, right time of the day and all the caveats). Someone with the Dinan reflash (all else stock) ran it to 175 mph - and it had more. When you can do 150 mph so easily, it's time to evaluate how and when you really want to die. I'm convinced that a tuned 135 or 335 will be able to run into the speed limiter on many tracks in the US - certainly at Summit Main where I go for track days. I have absolutely no desire for a more powerful car. 1/4 mile times mean absolutely nothing to me. And I don't want to have to install a rollcage in my daily driver to make sure I survive... Like I said, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, as I have been so many times in the past, :smile:, and there is no need to try to "prove" me wrong - I'll still get a BMW as my next car.
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Not to mention I'm selling the Evo to get the 135i. |
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Just because you have owned different cars and are on different boards doesn't make you unbiased. I'm sure you have a favorite car. To be honest, it's not a big deal if you are biased, I mean adc was biases as well, we all are. I think you can't compare cars until the numbers and more detailed reviews come out. |
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