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But what I found on extended spirited drives is flipping with the paddles in manu-matic mode gets old after a couple of hours. And after 3 years now it's almost flat played-out. It's like playing the same video game, over and over and over again. The high becomes not so high anymore. Driving a manual on the other hand has always been a natural high. Even after 30 years (and many a crappy gear box) each experience is new. I somewhat recently test drove the new M3 with manual. In the short time during the drive I couldn’t get used to the feather light clutch, and the fact the throws for the gears were literally in different zip codes. It was borderline embarrassing; the car bucked like a bronco more times than I can count. But it was still a kick, because it would have been another challenging gear box and skill-set to learn and get used to. If the DSG in the GTI has some slag, the DSG in the R32 is rapier quick. The gear is instantly locked and loaded, with twin smoking exhausts when it’s triggered. All that remains is to mat the throttle and watch the needles spin. I have no doubt I can jump in a 135 w/DCT and look like an FI driver (albeit one that is constantly a back-marker ) lickity-split. And even an outright abecedarian to the technology can pick it up in a lick or two later. Once again, I am blessed to have both options. But if the day comes when I can only have one tool in the box it won’t be a contest as to what gets the go-to call. So, for anyone that is old-school oriented and loves the control and freedom get the best manual gear-box kit BMW has produced in the past 20 years. No guarantee you can say that when you come back in 3 - 4 years.
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Gary that was actually frustrating for me as well to get used to. This is only an issue when you are going from fast to turning at a signal, but I do what you say, I slow down from 7th gear to a reasonable speed, at which point I have to look to see what gear I'm in (it's really hard to count the downshifts when they occur at 1k rpm because you can barely feel them at all), usually I'm in 4th, so I smack the paddles twice.
After a while though you get used to it, you know what gear your car is in because you know how it responds to a situation. Also, I would guess most people have made their choice before they even go for a test drive. This is why you don't see many DCT drivers being confused by their transmission's shifting, you see MT drivers reporting about their test drives. They don't plan on liking the transmission, and they need reasons to not like it. I still don't miss the 3rd pedal, but I do miss playing with neutral at stop lights. |
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Same here. I had a bad synchro on an older car and double-clutch rev-matching was the only way to get clean downshifts. Because I was forced to use the technique all the time, it has become second nature. And there's not much more satisfying than hitting a perfect downshift rev match, especially right before a corner.
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The DSG got boring after the initial neato factor wore off. Not to mention it is jerky in stop-and-go traffic. There is no doubt it's very cool technology and is probably the way of the future, but as long as I'm driving a performance car I want to row my own gears. |
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^^ If you don't double-clutch when you should, the syncros wear. After enough wear on them, you will have to double-clutch. My 135i has really good syncros, probably the best in any car I've owned. So most people say they never double-clutch. But if you feel any resistance at all, it would have been easier on the syncros to double-clutch.
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When did I ever say I was a perfect shifter? Never. Besides this was 10 years ago.
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Apparently, anyone who enjoys driving a manual over an auto is someone who claims to be a perfect shifter.
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08-19-2010, 10:22 PM | #106 | |
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I've been one of the more "vocal" people about this issue, and I've never said that a DCT driver is not an enthusiast, or is less of one. Your comment demonstrates the defensiveness that goes on. I think some are reading too much into certain comments, that is not there in the first place. |
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Can you clarify? From what I can decipher, it seems you think that most DCT drivers are not being confused by their trans, but MT drivers are? Your last sentence has me baffled. I don't get what you're trying to say. Which "they" are you referring to? |
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Please point them out. There was one that I recall, but the poster said he was kidding in a later post. |
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'Was admiring a very nice E46 6 sp man M3 cabriolet parked near me at the groceteria when this very elegant late 40s lady approaches, enters and drives off with style. 'Have seen her around the neighbourhood a few times.
When my wife and I split in '97 the first thing she (at 48) did was buy a new car, a loaded Civic coupe with a manual of course. In answer to my query as to why she preferred the manual she said, the automatics seem to make driving more complicated. Go figure! Jack
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The Manual v DCT will rage on until the end of time.
Before the DCT and faster autos came along, there were always some manual drivers that would constantly rave on about how the manual was faster, that it was more involving, that it was more hardcore, I could go on and on. Those types were so passionate about letting the world know they drive a manual and went out of their way to put you down if you drove a slushbox. I hear it time and time again, if they don't make it in manual then I would rather drive whatever else. I never understood why, I put it down to an ego thing. Fair enough you love your manual but keep it in your pants. Now the tides have turned. The DCT is without a doubt faster and better than the manual in every aspect that is performance related. The steptronic in its own right has proven to be consistently faster than the manual as well. Now I'm seeing some of the DCT drivers coming forward and giving stick to those hardcore manual fans and it is those passionate manual fans that don't know how to take it. At the end of the day you're driving the same car and it's personal preference whether you drive a manual/step/DCT. You don't need to defend or justify your reasons why you chose it over the other because everyone is different. It's just another option that you tick off when you order your car. Some of us chose to sacrifice some aspect of performance and structual rigidity so we could drive around with the top down. It wasn't my cup of tea but I don't go out of my way to put anyone with a convertible down, I appreciate what they have or keep it to myself because it doesn't affect me. I think Alpine White is the sexiest colour but I don't go around bashing 1ers in other colours. Anyways, I think that's enough with the examples. I for one am a huge fan of the DCT and think it's a big step forward and I hope to have it on my next car. It has enough driver involvement for me and it is unbelievably quick. Everyone bought their car for different reasons and the transmission choice is no different. |
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