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09-02-2010, 07:36 PM | #67 |
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I agree that the 135i is a better DD. All that low end torque is amazing.
The 128i is more of a windy back road kind of car. It loves to rev, the sound of the NA IL6 is sweet. Also, a stick is a must! |
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I disagree. My 128 step is an awesome daily driver.
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09-03-2010, 08:32 AM | #69 |
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Not saying it isn't, I enjoyed my step 235hp bmw coupe. I Just think in step form, the 135 is the better of the two, not the other way around.
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I had my 128 at lime rock. never driven at speed there. was only 3 seconds behind a 135 that seem to have been there alot !! (and my car had all of a 1001 miles on it when i put it in pit lane.... and i didnt even paddle shift and left the e-nannies on... beast tamed
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The reason to stay stick is simply because you like it, i agree, especially now... and the BMW step is pretty darn good, even the GM unit (in the _28) i've seen talked down about here. Maybe those people don't remember the move from GM to ZF that happened around 01-03 where I had a step crap out at 52k....and I wasn't alone. Then in 04 back to GM and relatively trouble free..
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With a nice handling bike and modest power, you get a sense of being more "comfortable" with applying power coming our of corners. And that translates to having fun as everything feels in control. With high powered bikes, the power just feels like it's going to spit you off if you don't get that throttle just right. If you don't have the skill, this can be disconcerting, and the whole time you're stressed about the whole thing, and the fun is almost gone. This is true in cars as well. Power, masking skill: I understand your point on the "mask" thing, I just don't agree. Perhaps this can appear to happen on a track where there are very few turns, so that the track is designed more for high speed, and thus a high powered car can blow the braking, and turns, yet make up for it by the track having mostly long, high speed straights. So, the track favors high power and high speed. So, maybe on a certain type of track, higher power can mask a poor driver. Or, does it? If there were an equivalent car with a skilled driver, bad skills would be more noticeable, as now the power issue is equal, and you're left with just skill to make the best time. On a more technical track, a very skilled driver, driving a less powerful car, can make better times compared to a more powerful car driven by a less skilled driver who brakes too early, misses the apex, applies power too soon, and is basically killing his time. Yet, in the straights he seems to make up some of the space between him and the less powerful car. In that scenario, the high power car may be said to "mask" his lack of skill, and the sheer power of the car makes up ground on the straights. However, to me, the power doesn't mask his mistakes. It just shows his lack of skill. Put the experienced driver in the same powerful car, and the bad driver won't make up any ground. He'll look even more like he doesn't belong there. Whether power can "mask" a poor driver, seems a matter of how one interprets that. In the above scenarios, I don't see power masking bad skill. It actually magnifies it. This whole argument came about by someone believing that a 135i may require less skill than a 128i. If the argument is that, on certain twisty roads a 128i can be faster than a 135i, sure that can happen if a certain set of conditions exist, the biggest being a well skilled 128i driver. But, given equally capable drivers, do you really think the 128i can beat a 135i on track or the street? There is no "different" skill a 128i driver needs compared to a 135i driver. He would need the same yet better driving skills. If that is argument being made, then we're just arguing semantics of what "better skills" and "different skills" means. |
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Some like the added power, some don't. You feel that the 128i is plenty of power for daily driving. Nothing wrong with that. As you said, optioned with sport, the 128i is a very fun car to drive. I tested the 128i, 135i, 335i, 328i and liked them all. But, I had to make a choice. This time around I wanted to have the extra power. You're of the opinion that your choice is the 'better' daily driver, as it gives you what you wanted. I feel my choice makes for a better daily driver, as it gives me what I wanted. So far, I like my choice as much as you like yours. And that's great. |
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My view on the 128i is that it is a fun, quick car. Depending on what you compare it to, it is even "fast." But by today's standards, it is not competetive. Nevertheless, such a car would have been quite impressive only 10 or so years ago, not that long really to anyone but a teenager. The march of progress and the automotive arms race has made huge HP numbers much more commonplace, but ask anyone still driving an old 2002 or 914 how much HP you really need to have a good time. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with more, and for the power junkies out there the 135i is really the only logical choice - but I think a lot of people do overlook a balanced, poised and perfectly capable vehicle simply because, well, it's the "base model" and who wants one of those?
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I was all set to get a 328i Msport, manual Anyone who's opinion does not respect a 128/328i, has an opinion not worth respecting. |
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09-25-2010, 02:36 PM | #76 |
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Yeah having more torque is definitely more practical for driving on the street, doing quick maneuvers in traffic, etc until its winter time and all that torque puts you in a ditch or facing the wrong side of traffic
Based on that I'd say the 128i is a more practical year round car if you have four seasons Perspective is everything |
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Leave the DSC on, and drive for the conditions regardless of how much HP you have. |
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No disputing that but I still think its fair to say the 128i is an overall more practical daily driver for regions with lots of snow.
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Hi RPM90,
What did you think of the 328i M-Sport? I'm seriously thinking of getting one with a manual transmission. A 128i with M-Sport is a possibility but I have a daughter, so the extra rear seat room in the 328i is attractive. Thanks, Leif W. P.S. Hope I'm not hijacking the thread. |
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Tbh, the 128i only really pulls once you past 3k RPM. Has anyone else noticed this?
Also, I've noticed the harder you push this car, the more compliant it is, ex: going fast into corners, accelerating hard through bends. |
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If you need the room, the 3 has more of it in the rear. The front is close to same in either car. Also, I think the 328i M sport sedan looks great, very sporty, especially with the front end redesign, and the new rear. Overall, with the M sport it looks sportier than my 135i. But, the 135i rear end is the best looking BMW rear end in all their cars. |
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Yes that is also true and one of the nice things about the car |
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Plus, with MT you'll have total control over the power band. Even the Step isn't that bad as the engine has plenty of power. Power builds nicely in the NA engine. it's progressive with more revs and it's linear. Throttle response is BETTER than in the TT engine, and I like that VERY much in the NA engine. Even after owning my TT for over a year, every time I get a loaner 328i, I enjoy it. The engine sound at high revs is super nice, very high tech mechanical but very smooth too. It doesn't have any harshness all the way to red line. It feels like it can easily go beyond 7k rpm. It's a gem of an engine. It's a BMW engine after all. Yes, my 135i has brute force power and it gives a thrill when you want it. It just has ballz. But, if you don't need it, and most don't, the NA engine is great. I liked my E46 325i sport 3.0 with only 187hp and a bit less torque than that. This NA 3.0 has 230hp. You'll love it. |
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