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05-15-2011, 07:18 PM | #89 |
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You've got issues dude.
Can you not see the fallacy in your own argument? All that R&D which you say makes the M3 so special was R&D spent on the very parts you say shouldn't be in the 1M. It wasn't R&D on the M3 per se...it was R&D on parts used in the M3. The M3, like the M5 and every other car ever made, is just a collection of parts. The 1M has to be judged for what it is, the context in which the parts which constitute it were developed is uttely irrelevant. What we have are M parts, designed and manufactured by M, and employed in a car designed by M. The fact remains that every person who has actually driven the car thinks it is fantastic - including those (and there are numerous of us) who have both the M3 and the 1M.
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Its a shame that the 1M won't have a production run like the E9X M3s. I'd love to see which teams would give up the E9X to run the 1M on the track.
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05-15-2011, 07:55 PM | #93 |
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I'd love a chance to drive a 1M. I have a 135 now and have an M3 on order. The engine in the M3 is what sold me. That car is just an absolute joy to drive. I don't care how good of a tune you put on the N54 it just doesn't have the kind of response and amazing sound of the S65.
With that said, I can only imagine how fun the 1M must be to throw around a track. If I was a bit more of a track junky I prob would've gone for the 1M. However, I do one or two track weekends a year and the M3 is just awesome for a daily driver and it's no slouch on the track. I hope someone in STL with a 1M will let me take a ride in the car with them. |
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I'd rather have the 1M engine than the E46 M3 engine. The 1M engine isn't unique to M, but it's enough superior in output to the E46 M3 engine to be worth the inferior sound and low rpm power output. I love the wide track, short wheelbase, suspension and diff under the 1M. I also think it's a decent engine. Nothing epic or particularly cool; just efficient and competent for the job (it's closer to being a truck engine than a sports car engine with that 5900rpm hp peak). But the bottom line is, for a $47k base price, it's a pretty amazingly fast BMW. It's true that it has few unique performance parts. Instead it has KEY parts from BMW's current performance leaders. It's a neat, if not compelling little performance coupe. Speaking of the engine, I would like to understand the torque boost function better. I think there was something about a "7 second max" to the boost. So does that mean if I'm driving full throttle, after 7 seconds without lifting, the power decreases back to 332 lb/ft? What if I lift for a second when I shift? Does the 7 second counter reset? What about when I rev up to outside the RPM range where the overboost occurs? Does the counter stop then too? How long from whenever I'm outside the overboost parameters before I can overboost again? Is entry/exit of overboost mode obvious?
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05-15-2011, 08:42 PM | #97 |
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I can see how the 1M v M3 is more open to debate in the USA due to price. In Oz the M1 is 110k and the M3 at least 150k so it's a no-brainer, not taking anything away from the M3, the 1M is just better value. I think the next gen M3 twin turbo will change everything though..
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05-15-2011, 09:08 PM | #100 |
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you are clueless. there is absolutely no turbo noise, it is silent between shifts, you cannot hear the intake, and the exhaust note is throaty and rumbles. there is almost no lag and with the M button activated the throttle response is that of an N/A engine. keep using that PC for FIFA and not talking about cars.
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05-15-2011, 09:09 PM | #101 | |
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The M3 engine is just a whole different experience than the N54, it's so responsive and pulls so hard to redline. And yeah, it sounds absolutely amazing in the process. The 135 is fun because it's so small, but I'll like having a little more room in the M3 for daily use, little more room in the back seats, bigger trunk, etc. Plus the M3 in Interlagos Blue just looks absolutely amazing. The M3 has been my dream car for years, the 1M just didn't seem as exciting to me. Not to say it isn't an incredibly competent car, but I just enjoyed driving the M3 so much I can't imagine a 1M being more enjoyable as a daily driver. |
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I think the M3 boys (and/or girls) are feeling a little threatened. If you read a defensive post by someone trying to take away from the 1M in this thread, odds are you find an M3 owner behind it. I often notice the same thing when I read posts about the 135 in the e90 forum, the 335 owners get all defensive and try to put down the 135.
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05-15-2011, 09:55 PM | #104 | |
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That turbo sound will be on every new M3 you own from now on. Maybe you should step up to Porsche, oh wait.. Right lets discount the people you mentioned but take your word for it. If you bought your car so you can brag about who youre faster than then youre screwed. No matter how much you spend there will always be someone faster than you, and sometimes its gonna be a 1 series. |
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"""You ARE right, 75k is too much for some people for a daily driver which is why we have 1M.
I don't want to be a dickhead but you people are making this car something its not. I know you are excited, but you should know whose backyard you are in. Do you see M3 owners saying stuff like this to GTR or GT3? All these arguments also apply to M3 vs more expensive cars. We are not the best and we know when to talk and when not to talk. I think 1 series is excited for its first M, but you need to digest it properly."""" HAAHA so the soar loser finally shows his colors....I said LOW-END torque smartass |
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05-15-2011, 10:50 PM | #108 |
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Many of us with 1Ms on order could afford an M3. It's a fantastic car, but we don't want one because it's the size of a Buick.
Aside from the universally glowing reviews, I think the fact that the 1M will be far more exclusive than the e9x M3 is really chapping some insecure hides. Autoblog, look what you've stirred up. |
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actually, the m3 is oftentimes compared to the gtr. it actually has subjectively won against the gtr in comparisons. these controversial comparisons always bring about proponents taking strong views from one side or the other. however, at least these individuals who draw their conclusions back up their views with the experience of driving the cars in question and provide a rationale for their conclusions. you, sir, are only making the statement that the m3 is better with no evidence and no rationale. perhaps you should return to (or stay in) introductory physics and throw in a bit of critical thinking.
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