1 Series M Coupe US Base Price Announced: $ 47,010

[pyrat]

Originally Posted by 02fireman

Everybody bitches that the rest of the world gets 'Limited' models that are stripped down, no radio, AC optional etc....heck didn't the E30 M3 have optional power windows in most of the world????!!!!! So when they finally bring us a 'Limited' model, put more standard options than anywhere in the world, give us a lower standard price than anywhere in the world, people say "awww, it's gonna cost me this much money $$ for Necessary creature comforts".....
THIS CAR IS NOT A CAR FOR CREATURE COMFORTS!!!! BE HAPPY THEY ARE OFFERING THE US THE CAR--PLUS THE COMFORTS (for people that must have them)..Ok I'm done

best post yet. thanks

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by TMR013

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. Think i'll just get the PPK and a few suspension bits on my current 135 and pocket the extra $5K+.
But I think you will be unpleasantly surprised on the options part. Just look at how they did it with our 135's.

There's no disagreeing. JUST a simple KW set-up and PPK kit will run you 5 grand BEFORE installation. Let's assume you do the installation yourself, you're still only 2 grand up AND you don't have the better tires, the MDiff, or the wider track.
And you have to add options to both cars.

[confusion]

Originally Posted by techthentic

There's no disagreeing. JUST a simple KW set-up and PPK kit will run you 5 grand BEFORE installation. Let's assume you do the installation yourself, you're still only 2 grand up AND you don't have the better tires, the MDiff, or the wider track.
And you have to add options to both cars.

my favorite part about the DIY crowd who totally ignore the opportunity cost of their time is that they think that simply installing the hardware will make their car as good or better than the car that has been optimized by engineers on the Ring for months.

[billspreston]

Let's see for 7K you get:
(estimated cost to upgrade a 135 in parenthesis)

- N54 iS engine ($900 tune)
- MDTC (???)
- M Bodykit ($2000)
- Quad Exhaust ($2000)
- Alcantara Interior Bits ($1500)
- M Steering Wheel & Shifter ($700)
- M Dampers & Springs ($2000)
- M Control Arms & Guide Rods ($500)
- M Wishbones ($500)
- M Camber Links ($400)
- M Sway Bars ($600)
- M Strut Brace ($400)
- M Rear Subframe ($1000)
- M Limited Slip Differential ($1500)
- ZCP M Wheels ($1500)
- Wider Tires ($1000)
... and more

47k is a good deal. We are talking almost 17k in upgrades here. A 135i with "PPK a few suspension bits" will come nowhere near this car in terms of handling. Not even close have to laugh at that.

[BlackFlash]

The 135i base price increase could just be a market necessity, and a hedge against a plummet in value of the USD. It's a lot easier to raise the prices along with the LCI rather than out of the blue.

BMWs are far cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world, maybe the margins there just aren't cutting it?

[neech]

Originally Posted by confusion

my favorite part about the DIY crowd who totally ignore the opportunity cost of their time is that they think that simply installing the hardware will make their car as good or better than the car that has been optimized by engineers on the Ring for months.

You don't think they have to optimize it for ride quality either? Or have to design the components to fall within a certain budget? If you're right, then why does the M3 GTS have different suspension components than the reg M3? Why don't racing teams use stock m3 components? You obviously have no experience with quality aftermarket suspension (KW). These are daily drivers that will occasionally see track time, the engineers design it to that, not to be a track monster, but to be decent at both track and street.

[1013mm]

time to use that 47k on an m3!

[twenzel]

Do the USDM LCI headlights make anyone else nauseous?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Diver

I have a random thought regarding why the 1M is being released as a 2011. Partially it is about US fuel economy rules as 2012 will have tighter standards.

If that is the case, then what about the 335is? It has essentially the same motor - surely there will still be a 2012 335is. For that matter, the Z4 35is and 740i have the tuned N54 as well. I strongly doubt the N54 or these models themselves are going away for MY 2012.

However, for US customers anything built after June 30 2011 must be sold as a 2012.

That can't possibly be true. Lots of cars are built in the second half of the year and still carry a model year designation of that same year.

Sounds like a single production run and a short model year for the 1M.

It is definitely a short run as reported before but I still see no compelling reason to call this car a 2011. The only thing I can think of is that sales of this car will actually end before 2012 begins. If that is the case - and I don't know why it should be since 1 series sales certainly won't end that early - then I can see why the 2011 designation is used. It would probably raise eyebrows, or perhaps even violate some laws, if a 2012 model was discontinued before 2012 ever got started.

Now I thought the 2012 EU 1 series hatch will be out way in advance of the 2013 US 1 series. This makes me wonder if there is going to be an early production cut off for the 2012 1 series.

The F20 won't effect the current 1 series coupe and convertible timeline. Just like with the 3 series, the coupe and convertible will run longer than the other models.

[gatorfast]

I agree with the masses that the price is def high. For that much money I'd look into getting a slightly used M3 instead. I cant believe how much the base price of the 135i has increased though! Its almost at $40K!

[joelk]

maybe the 2012 refresh will be rebadged as a 2er and thus, while this is a limited edition, an M2 will be forthcoming. i dunno .. just making shit up

[bryce]

Originally Posted by PKumarM3

you can't compare a stock car vs. a modified car- its truly not fair.

a bubble back 9 second honda would take down a stock 2010 viper srt 10.

how bout you send that viper srt10 to underground racing and see what happens then

you have a very valid point; i agree. BUT, if you take $1k in mods to a e90/92 m3 and $1k in mods to the 1M, i'm extremely positive the 1M will outperform the m3. it's not to say that the m3 isn't a brilliant track car, it's merely physics. getting gobs more power from a TT i-6 is so much cheaper than an n/a v8.

[02fireman]

Originally Posted by twenzel

Do the USDM LCI headlights make anyone else nauseous?

No, I think they look evil on the orange...

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by joelk

maybe the 2012 refresh will be rebadged as a 2er and thus, while this is a limited edition, an M2 will be forthcoming. i dunno .. just making shit up

Regardless of what they call the F22/F23, there will definitely be an M vehicle based on them. I wouldn't count on it until sometime after the new M3 though - probably 2015.

[e92_m3]

Originally Posted by Feyd

Wow that's expensive. *eek*

That was my reaction as well...

Damn that's expensive. IMHO, they should have kept the base price starting at $43K. Oh well...

[confusion]

Originally Posted by neech

You don't think they have to optimize it for ride quality either? Or have to design the components to fall within a certain budget? If you're right, then why does the M3 GTS have different suspension components than the reg M3? Why don't racing teams use stock m3 components? You obviously have no experience with quality aftermarket suspension (KW). These are daily drivers that will occasionally see track time, the engineers design it to that, not to be a track monster, but to be decent at both track and street.

I think you missed my point. I never claimed the standard M3's suspension bits are the be-all-end-all of suspension components. My experience with aftermarket suspensions has no bearing on the point I apparently failed to communicate. I agree that dedicated track components, installed by professionals, and tuned with lap times can and should be superior to parts/engineering done for the masses. However, I was talking about the people that ignore the time/cost/effort of doing it themselves in their garage. I'm pretty sure if you actually did it right, the cost alone would be prohibitive for most. Most people on this forum don't have the time, resources, or expertise to do better than what the 1M will come with stock. Buying KW3s or Motons or whatever alone won't make your 1er better than a 1M. Countless hours of actual driving and tuning might. But you simply cannot ignore the associated costs (tires, brakes, fuel, time, etc.).

[WWM3]

Compared to the starting price of a 135i the 1M looks like one hell of a deal though. It's just that now the whole 1 series line is immensely over priced. IMO, BMW really has no justification for this for except possibly making room for their front wheel drive entry level car. But how many different cars will BMW continue to label entry level for a couple years and then add an extra 4 or 5k on the base price? This is a good way to lose customers. I do need a car that I find exciting to drive, but I don't need one that doesn't justify it's price tag and a 2012 135i certainly doesn't.

[neech]

Originally Posted by confusion

I think you missed my point. I never claimed the standard M3's suspension bits are the be-all-end-all of suspension components. My experience with aftermarket suspensions has no bearing on the point I apparently failed to communicate. I agree that dedicated track components, installed by professionals, and tuned with lap times can and should be superior to parts/engineering done for the masses. However, I was talking about the people that ignore the time/cost/effort of doing it themselves in their garage. I'm pretty sure if you actually did it right, the cost alone would be prohibitive for most. Most people on this forum don't have the time, resources, or expertise to do better than what the 1M will come with stock. Buying KW3s or Motons or whatever alone won't make your 1er better than a 1M. Countless hours of actual driving and tuning might. But you simply cannot ignore the associated costs (tires, brakes, fuel, time, etc.).

Fair enough.. I was just saying that part-for-part, aftermarket parts have potentially better track capability than stockies. I do see your point; I have lots of experience with aftermarket suspension and even I don't feel confident that I could easily set up the damping/rebound without serious time invested. Some see that as part of the fun though.
That being said, I DO have a deposit on a 1M, and no plans to modify the suspension

[BlackFlash]

Lol, we can harp all we want, but until BMW sales figures start to sag, they are going to raise prices, not lower them. Business is booming!

[Wolf]

while i am sad to see to the base 135i is 2k higher and 47k for base 1M and frankly i live where taxes fuck us to the roof, the price of the 1M will probably be 90-110k. a base x6 is 105k, a 320i vert base price is 75k so at 39k for 135i and 47k for 1M you guys should be happy not whining... lucky bastards...

[amdmaxx]

Candidate for Quote of 2011..

Originally Posted by PKumarM3

but a m car for daily driving is like having a lingerie model as a gf that only wears sweat pants.

[shanecarmaster1]

Waaaaaaaay too expensive. Back in the day, you could buy a 2003 540i m sport for the price of a loaded 1er. I couldn't justify spending that on a car that is essentially the "poor person BMW" even though it's the strongest in performance. I just couldn't do it.