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To respond to your original post, when you produce a car highly geared towards the enthusiast, it is only natural to have performance be the leading factor in the decision process. That's how you get comparisons like the EVO and STi against the 135i.
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10-14-2007, 12:32 PM | #114 | |
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Another thing to note is that, while some people are after a total package car, I find the vast majority to only be concerned about 0-60 times and HP. Most people are totally ignorant about cars, you hardly ever hear anything about torque or quarter mile times in car commercials even those those are also very important if you want the full picture of how fast a car is in a strait line. I can't remember ever hearing about ski pad times or traction limits, simply because of the fact that most car buyers don't car and will never reach those limits anyway. Thats why strait line speed comes up so often. It's the easiest to quantify and understand, especially for the American market. C'mon, the largest motor sport here is NASCAR. It reflects (on the surface) superiority in top speed rather than extreme handling and car control like F1 and Rally. I wouldn't knock the Evo in handling, tightness, or braking though. They IXs are pretty amazing cars in that regard.
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"We applaud the move wholeheartedly, much preferring the smooth and fast-reacting dual-clutch to BMW’s jerky and much-slower single-clutch sequential manual." ~ Car and Driver "The Evo X is expected to go on sale in Japan in September, with U.S. and European launches slated for early 2008. This new, larger and more sophisticated Evo X might not be the rally-bred car we remember, but its sophisticated all-wheel-drive performance should shame its competitors, whether they come from Europe or Japan." ~ Edumnds Gotta have a first post sometime, eh? |
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10-14-2007, 01:15 PM | #117 |
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you got that right friend....i want the exhileration of being planted to my seat from standing still to 80 mph, or from 30mph-90mph.....i really dont care about going over 100 mph, since i'll get my ass handed to me by those crafty FHP....
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10-14-2007, 03:16 PM | #118 |
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Just thought I would share this. I went by the BMW dealership out here in SoCal yesterday to look at a used 335i and here is what I was told by the manager there. He said the 135i and 128i wont be within a few thousand dollars of the 335i and 328i. Just as there is a $10k difference between the 335i/328i and 535i/528i, he said to expect a wider gap, especially since the 1 is an entry level. They are pretty sure the 128i will be around $27-$28k and the 135i to be around $32-$33k but markups could have the 135i going closer to $40k.
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10-14-2007, 03:22 PM | #119 |
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Must be nice to live where you do then. Markeups are everywhere out here in southern Cali with many makes. I have seen 335i's marked up as high as $48k. Rarely do you see them at MSRP which is why I was there looking at a used one.
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10-14-2007, 04:51 PM | #121 | |
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My sales guy, (who is really a pretty straight shooter), freely admitted that he has no more firm pricing info than anyone else, but says that he got a pretty strong indication from the BMW NA reps at their 135i first look (whatever they call it), that a nicely equipped 135i was going to be in the $35k range.:iono: Please spare me the sarcastic comments from all of the $37/38k base people out there. I'm only telling you what one more salesman feels about pricing. |
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10-14-2007, 05:11 PM | #122 |
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Yep. No way they will price a 135i right under the same price the 335i goes just like they didnt price the 335i right under the 535i, would be pointless. There are $8k-$10k gaps between 328/335i and 528/535i, logic would say about the same for the 1 series/3 series.
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10-14-2007, 06:00 PM | #123 | |
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IMO, the 135i will start within $2,000 of $34,850.
Why? If you look at pricing for the car everywhere else in the world, it's about 18-25% less than a 335i, starting. $34,850 is 18% difference. $31,181 is 25%. The lowest I could see is 12% difference, and that's $36,586. Also, this car is DEFINITELY competing with Evo, STi, R32, etc. You MAY see a magazine comparo with the G37, but that car is really aimed squarely at the 3 series. 350Z would be a better comparison. Mustang also, and RX-8. Even the Volvo C30 and Accord/Altima could end up being compared, depending on the market segment. I see two potential buyers for this car. 1.) Kids looking for something cheap, and cool, with nice stuff and decent power. The 128i will be very popular with this crowd. 2.) The enthusiast buyer, looking for an entertaining driving experience, sub-14sec quarter mile, with excellent handling, and good aftermarket support, without too much excess weight or other BS. However, they are still looking for a car comfortable enough to be a DD, and maybe carry a friend and weekends worth of luggage, or a couple people in a pinch. Sub-$40k. The only other cars I see that fit clearly into the same class are the Mustang, 350Z, STi, Evo, R32, and perhaps the G37. The G37 weighs a good 600lbs+ more, and is much more technology and feature rich, while offering a less entertaining driving experience. I was debating G37, Sti, Evo. I ended up on the 135i. Probably more fun to drive than any of the above, big aftermarket potential, and still probably a bit better dailey than the Sti or Evo. I don't know exact pricing, but looking at pricing everywhere else in the world, I'd bet that it'll fall between 30k and 36k |
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10-14-2007, 09:51 PM | #126 |
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My friends here who know the South FLA market know that probably except for Cali, most BMWs are sold here....thus, this is the land of the markup......just for your edification, I live here 'cause i basically have to, so no i dont consider it nice.....I just wont pay a markup...I will however pay MSRP, which I've never done for a car....but if the dealers get cute and sell over MSRP,I'll wait instead.....
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10-14-2007, 10:38 PM | #127 |
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I agree with most of what you said but I think the kids looking for cheap power will go with a new Mustang GT. 300hp/320tq for under $25k and an engine that gets tons more power with cheap bolt-ons is what they would opt for most likely. Believe it or not, there are alot of enthusiasts who just want power and a nice drive, dont need heated seats and all the other luxury crap. Thats how I am, if I want luxury, I'll buy a loaded Accord. If I want power, I'll buy something with a nice engine that makes alot of it.
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10-15-2007, 12:41 PM | #130 |
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Wow, I’d love to see the look on the BMW representatives faces if they ever were to read this thread!
The fact that we have generated well over 100 posts on the very topic of 135 pricing is proof that demand will outpace supply. Here’s what I gathered in skimming the posts on this thread regarding the 135i pricing: 1) There is no way that the base price will be less than 33K 2) Most of us are expecting the starting price to be between 33K – 36K, which would not raise any eyebrows. 3) BMW would be making a grave mistake if the pricing for a 135i starts at or above 36K (which would mean 40K+ with the addition of a sport, or premium package). What has me worried is that with this much apparent demand, BMW will be able to raise the starting price of the 135i (to ward off those not seriously committed to the car), and still probably sell out of most or all of their inventory. For Christ’s sake, why won’t they just release the bloody pricing and end this torturous debate!!!!!!!!!! |
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10-15-2007, 12:43 PM | #131 |
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It's an internet board... we only represent a fraction of total demand. And if this thread raises some eyebrows at BMW, I can only imagine what BMW would have thought of Zweier's thread.
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