BMW M1

1ster · 09-05-2007, 09:35 PM

If getting an M1 means the 1-Series gets drop-down doors, then I say BRING IT ON!! :drinking:

Oh, wait, that was the Z1...

atr_hugo · 09-05-2007, 09:44 PM

Drop down doors, roll forward doors - you'd think these were minivans. :biggrin:
('54 Kaiser Darrin - the definition of a girly car if you ever have seen the nose.)

blitzed310 · 09-05-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ster

If getting an M1 means the 1-Series gets drop-down doors, then I say BRING IT ON!! :drinking:

Oh, wait, that was the Z1...

Haha an E30 in disguise

Cybersavage · 10-01-2007, 11:41 AM

Rumors are swirling all over the net concerning the possibility of a 350hp M1 or perhaps M2

2fast · 10-01-2007, 12:15 PM

In 2009 anything is possible. As I mentioned in posts similar to this before, the problem is the engine. N54 is too good of an engine (read too mod friendly). Give this engine another 2yrs+ of tingering, realiable 400hp+ is emminent and common place. HP rules, unless BMW is thinking drastic weight reduction, and no cabon fiber roof, trunk, hood will not do. I'm talking serious weight think Elise...and that will never happend.

Let's say for kicks, BMW put the e92 M3's v8 in the "M1". 420hp and 295Ibs plus a weight reduction of 300Ibs and some M goodies. will that then make a strong case for M1? To me barely...I'll be perfectly happy in a PROcede v3,4,5 (Whatever it might be by then) with more hp , more torque and more $$ in the bank.

BMWeber · 10-01-2007, 12:21 PM

they should just make a 135 CSL maybe a few more horses(little more boost) but minus a few hundred pounds :iono:

Advevo · 10-01-2007, 01:17 PM

An expensive m1 / m2 has not a lot of selling potiential. Just see what a new m3 costs that s not from this planet anymore. That s too much for a weekend fun/track car.

larry lawless · 10-01-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Advevo

An expensive m1 / m2 has not a lot of selling potiential. Just see what a new m3 costs that s not from this planet anymore. That s too much for a weekend fun/track car.

True but then again its not just a weekend fun/track car anymore its a car you can drive everyday.

Whitford · 10-01-2007, 02:53 PM

As much as I would LOVE to acquire a 135i I think I may be slightly upset if they release a badder M version shortly afterwards. Primarily because I wouldn't have waited for it.

Anyone else feeling this way?

ShifterKart · 10-01-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitford

As much as I would LOVE to acquire a 135i I think I may be slightly upset if they release a badder M version shortly afterwards. Primarily because I wouldn't have waited for it.

Anyone else feeling this way?

I feel the same way so I figure I'll just wait till the newness wears off the 135i and see what BMW does. If there is no M, at least you will be able to get a better deal on the 135i.

Advevo · 10-01-2007, 04:15 PM

a new m3 is no weekend fun/track car anymore i know. But that s not the point it s to expensive for that purpuse. Bmw M should make a affordable M car for the people who like a agile car to run around for fun on backroads or some trackday. I don t wanna play with a big cruise ship on track like the m3 is.

So a M car of the 1 coupe would be perfect.

I am waiting to. I have still lots of fun with my 130i msport and waiting on more news on an M version. Rumours will flow when the most 135i are sold. And if not i can always buy a new or even better a secondhand 135i afterwards.

imported_Sweeper · 10-01-2007, 10:38 PM

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The M is at the presentation of a business case just now where a car is presented along with a specification to present to the BMW board of management. Then they make the final decisions.

:w00t: when can I get one?

Sweep

atr_hugo · 10-03-2007, 06:05 PM

OK - In light of some posts on this thread and the general consensus that this car is a bit porky, here's an approach I'd take to an M1 (as 'scott26' sez, the 'M1' product plan is being set before the board for approval).

Shave 300+ pounds off the existing car by:

- going to a tweaked version of the N52 engine
- carbon fiber roof
- aluminum hood/rear decklid and front fenders
- no stinking runflats and superlight wheels

Then we can have the LSD and a spiffy stiff suspension to go with it.

'scott26' any comments?

mikeo · 10-03-2007, 06:15 PM

Hugo, that's a great 'M1' want list. Only thing I would add is the Dual Clutch Transmission, which may or may not reduce weight. IMO a tweaked N52 should be able to make 300 crank horsepower, if not a little more. This would be a great car for you flatlanders, but not up in the mountains where I live.

CDR_UK · 10-04-2007, 09:40 AM

I would expect the bonnet to already be made of aluminium, and the front fenders to be made of plastic. I'll be really surprised if that's a steel bonnet.

Big Windy · 10-05-2007, 12:46 AM

M1 not happening until at least 2011. maybe that statement can get this war started up again.

gotgemini2000 · 10-05-2007, 02:38 AM

what would the hypothetical configuration be then? what engine? would the 135i be a reincarnation of the 325i Msport of 1994 then?

Advevo · 10-05-2007, 04:21 AM

Why are you so sure it s not gonna happen is that speculation or do you know from bmw for sure.

Robert · 10-05-2007, 05:07 AM

Because 1 series platform will be refreshed in 2010 so unless BMW plans on delivering a 1 series M which last for 2-3 years then I don't see a M1 on current platform.

If they are going to releasing it before the refresh then there must be some sort of M1 prototype around. Or perhaps it is as elusive as the lochness monster that no one has been able to snap a picture of it.

1ster · 10-05-2007, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by robert

Because 1 series platform will be refreshed in 2010 so unless BMW plans on delivering a 1 series M which last for 2-3 years then I don't see a M1 on current platform.

Exactly.

Garrett · 10-05-2007, 08:09 AM

It will be called the M87..!

It harkens back to smaller cars and their clandestine naming policy of those niche cars back then.

BMW has perserved DNA of all their previous models in vials... can be used on a moments notice to produce something hot and iconic. Sound Familiar?

-Garrett

E82tt6 · 10-14-2007, 01:57 PM

My ideas:

Call it the M135, or M182T

Keep the TT 6-cyl, slightly enlarge turbos, slightly raise redline, slightly raise boost. Peak torque from 3000 rpms and up, with HP peaking at 7.2k, with a 7.5k redline. Turbos start to spool at 2200-2500 at that point. This would easily allow for 400-430ish crank HP while still running under 10psi of boost. They could call it 370 HP, to keep M3 guys from getting up in arms, and just leave the engine to put down 370-380 RWHP. This is achievable on stock turbos, and adding some slightly larger turbos would let you keep power over larger rev range (3k rpms-7.5k rpms), and run low boost. It would also allow for a csl, or zcp version with another 30-40hp without stressing anything.

Add light-weight everything, along with an LSD, and even bigger, badder brakes (maybe M3 brakes). In addition, a bigger IC and oil cooler would be good ideas.

Finally, perhaps a CSL version of the car. Turn up the boost slightly, open up the exhaust and intake a little more. Remove AC, Radio, Naviagtion, etc. Remove back seat. CF for hood, trunk, roof.

I know that's a pipe dream, but the way BMW is stressing the connection between this car and the 2002, I wouldn't be suprised to see a "Club Sport" version at some point.

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1ster Large Member 164 Rep 937 Posts Drives: Join Date: Aug 2007 iTrader: (0)	If getting an M1 means the 1-Series gets drop-down doors, then I say BRING IT ON!! :drinking: Oh, wait, that was the Z1...
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atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	Drop down doors, roll forward doors - you'd think these were minivans. :biggrin: ('54 Kaiser Darrin - the definition of a girly car if you ever have seen the nose.) Attached Images
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10-01-2007, 11:41 AM	#114
Cybersavage Lieutenant 105 Rep 518 Posts Drives: 2002 Viper GTS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Rumors are swirling all over the net concerning the possibility of a 350hp M1 or perhaps M2
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10-01-2007, 12:15 PM	#115
2fast Private 0 Rep 64 Posts Drives: 330 Join Date: May 2005 Location: LA iTrader: (0)	In 2009 anything is possible. As I mentioned in posts similar to this before, the problem is the engine. N54 is too good of an engine (read too mod friendly). Give this engine another 2yrs+ of tingering, realiable 400hp+ is emminent and common place. HP rules, unless BMW is thinking drastic weight reduction, and no cabon fiber roof, trunk, hood will not do. I'm talking serious weight think Elise...and that will never happend. Let's say for kicks, BMW put the e92 M3's v8 in the "M1". 420hp and 295Ibs plus a weight reduction of 300Ibs and some M goodies. will that then make a strong case for M1? To me barely...I'll be perfectly happy in a PROcede v3,4,5 (Whatever it might be by then) with more hp , more torque and more $$ in the bank.
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10-01-2007, 12:21 PM	#116
BMWeber Major 36 Rep 1,329 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Amesbury, MA iTrader: (5)	they should just make a 135 CSL maybe a few more horses(little more boost) but minus a few hundred pounds :iono:
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10-01-2007, 01:17 PM	#117
Advevo Banned 582 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	An expensive m1 / m2 has not a lot of selling potiential. Just see what a new m3 costs that s not from this planet anymore. That s too much for a weekend fun/track car.
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10-01-2007, 02:53 PM	#119
Whitford Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (0)	As much as I would LOVE to acquire a 135i I think I may be slightly upset if they release a badder M version shortly afterwards. Primarily because I wouldn't have waited for it. Anyone else feeling this way?
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Advevo Banned 582 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	a new m3 is no weekend fun/track car anymore i know. But that s not the point it s to expensive for that purpuse. Bmw M should make a affordable M car for the people who like a agile car to run around for fun on backroads or some trackday. I don t wanna play with a big cruise ship on track like the m3 is. So a M car of the 1 coupe would be perfect. I am waiting to. I have still lots of fun with my 130i msport and waiting on more news on an M version. Rumours will flow when the most 135i are sold. And if not i can always buy a new or even better a secondhand 135i afterwards.
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10-03-2007, 06:05 PM	#123
atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	OK - In light of some posts on this thread and the general consensus that this car is a bit porky, here's an approach I'd take to an M1 (as 'scott26' sez, the 'M1' product plan is being set before the board for approval). Shave 300+ pounds off the existing car by: - going to a tweaked version of the N52 engine - carbon fiber roof - aluminum hood/rear decklid and front fenders - no stinking runflats and superlight wheels Then we can have the LSD and a spiffy stiff suspension to go with it. 'scott26' any comments?
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mikeo Santa Fe Concorso 104 Rep 2,984 Posts Drives: '11 M-sport 328i, '13 X1 28i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM iTrader: (3)	Hugo, that's a great 'M1' want list. Only thing I would add is the Dual Clutch Transmission, which may or may not reduce weight. IMO a tweaked N52 should be able to make 300 crank horsepower, if not a little more. This would be a great car for you flatlanders, but not up in the mountains where I live. __________________ Santa Fe Concorso - The Southwest's Premier Automotive Gathering.
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10-04-2007, 09:40 AM	#125
CDR_UK Second Lieutenant 15 Rep 226 Posts Drives: AW 1M Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: home iTrader: (0)	I would expect the bonnet to already be made of aluminium, and the front fenders to be made of plastic. I'll be really surprised if that's a steel bonnet.
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10-05-2007, 12:46 AM	#126
Big Windy Major General 152 Rep 5,124 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	M1 not happening until at least 2011. maybe that statement can get this war started up again.
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10-05-2007, 02:38 AM	#127
gotgemini2000 Private First Class 23 Rep 158 Posts Drives: G80 & E46 M3, 6 speed manuals Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA iTrader: (0)	what would the hypothetical configuration be then? what engine? would the 135i be a reincarnation of the 325i Msport of 1994 then?
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10-05-2007, 04:21 AM	#128
Advevo Banned 582 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	Why are you so sure it s not gonna happen is that speculation or do you know from bmw for sure.
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10-05-2007, 05:07 AM	#129
Robert Major General 417 Rep 6,968 Posts Drives: 135i -> is350 -> Tesla M3 perf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Socal iTrader: (1)	Because 1 series platform will be refreshed in 2010 so unless BMW plans on delivering a 1 series M which last for 2-3 years then I don't see a M1 on current platform. If they are going to releasing it before the refresh then there must be some sort of M1 prototype around. Or perhaps it is as elusive as the lochness monster that no one has been able to snap a picture of it. __________________ - There's nothing in my pocket other than knives and lint
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Garrett Banned 23 Rep 1,356 Posts Drives: 2004 330ci Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mich iTrader: (0)	It will be called the M87..! It harkens back to smaller cars and their clandestine naming policy of those niche cars back then. BMW has perserved DNA of all their previous models in vials... can be used on a moments notice to produce something hot and iconic. Sound Familiar? -Garrett
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10-14-2007, 01:57 PM	#132
E82tt6 Colonel 104 Rep 2,626 Posts Drives: '08 Black Saphire Z4 MC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	My ideas: Call it the M135, or M182T Keep the TT 6-cyl, slightly enlarge turbos, slightly raise redline, slightly raise boost. Peak torque from 3000 rpms and up, with HP peaking at 7.2k, with a 7.5k redline. Turbos start to spool at 2200-2500 at that point. This would easily allow for 400-430ish crank HP while still running under 10psi of boost. They could call it 370 HP, to keep M3 guys from getting up in arms, and just leave the engine to put down 370-380 RWHP. This is achievable on stock turbos, and adding some slightly larger turbos would let you keep power over larger rev range (3k rpms-7.5k rpms), and run low boost. It would also allow for a csl, or zcp version with another 30-40hp without stressing anything. Add light-weight everything, along with an LSD, and even bigger, badder brakes (maybe M3 brakes). In addition, a bigger IC and oil cooler would be good ideas. Finally, perhaps a CSL version of the car. Turn up the boost slightly, open up the exhaust and intake a little more. Remove AC, Radio, Naviagtion, etc. Remove back seat. CF for hood, trunk, roof. I know that's a pipe dream, but the way BMW is stressing the connection between this car and the 2002, I wouldn't be suprised to see a "Club Sport" version at some point.
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