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01-19-2010, 06:57 PM | #111 |
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Since it is currently undergoing development all I can answer is that it will have it's own character. It will have advantages as well as disadvantages from the M3 because no M car is the same.
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01-19-2010, 06:57 PM | #112 | |
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The M3 is not faster than the M5 in a straight line. The M3 traps in the 111-115 mph depending on tranny and options. The M5 traps in the 115-118 mph range depending on tranny and options. Sure if you get a e92 M3 with CF roof and basic options with DSG you may be able to run with a fully loaded M5, but even then, I think the M3 would have a hard time above 120 mph. |
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01-19-2010, 06:59 PM | #113 | |
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It's going to have a "overboost" feature like the new Z4si. That is what he's hinting at. I think its great they're slapping another turbo onto the N55.
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01-19-2010, 07:06 PM | #116 | |
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Make us WANT this car. |
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01-19-2010, 07:09 PM | #118 | |
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Don't think BMW wants to sacrifice that status on the base model M. The M1 will do great on the track no doubt, but will probably be "funner" to drive in day to day public road scenarios where the M3's absence of low end torque makes it feel a bit weak below 4000 rpms and in need of revving too much (often the sole complaint of past and current M3's). The M1 will nicely fill the gap between the day to day driving torque and fun of the 135i and the track abilities of the M3. But being an M, it will most certainly lean more towards the abilities of the M3 than the 135i. You won't sacrifice daily driveability or track abilities, if they are making it as I'm speculating it's target to be. As for torque, if it has 345 hp, I'm guessing torque will be within 10-15 ft-lbs of that figure too. It has to be high enough above the 300 ft-lbs range to separate it from the 135i's regular N55, but not too much to make it difficult to keep the rear end in line. |
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01-19-2010, 07:15 PM | #119 | |
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But I thought we were talking about M3 vs M5 here? You mentioned the M3 being faster than the M5. I just pointed out (in clarification) that it is not in fact faster in a straight line, and I would of thought all would know the M5 wasn't intended to be the track star the M3 is (not saying the M5 is a slouch on a track), but it was not the primary intent of the M5 like the M3, as Scott pointed out, each M has a different focus. |
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01-19-2010, 07:17 PM | #121 |
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Oh btw, Scott, if they are slapping a second turbo on the N55 and making changes to the N55 in that way, I'd have to imagine that this M1 engine is not going to be called the N55, but have another name correct? Maybe M55 or S55?
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01-19-2010, 07:19 PM | #122 |
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Thanks SCOTT26. Appreciate the info...
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I wonder how many units will be produced? I barely see any 135i's as it is in my large metropolitan city but I do see at least one E9x M3 everyday. Joy is indulgence especially in exclusivity!
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01-19-2010, 08:45 PM | #124 | |
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Maybe this is harder for me to rationalize, as I do many driving events, and think of the M3 and M1 in those terms.... |
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It's MARKETING.. BMW will rate it like that, so those who have M3's won't have hurt egos. |
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01-20-2010, 03:46 AM | #126 | |
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Can I sig that^^... lol I remember driving my buddies 1987 M3 on some twisty Ann Arbor road one morning, coming home from a party. The road was wet with fog and I simple tossed that car threw intersection sideways and even pulled a "power-slide" park job that was effortless. Coincidentally, that morning was brought up many times, over the years. (3 in the car). It wasn't my driving skill, it was the balance of that //M...! That^ = PHUN! |
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01-20-2010, 07:59 AM | #127 |
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01-20-2010, 09:13 AM | #129 | |
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I'm sure many of the current 3er lovers are the same bunch who initially thought the e9x 3 looked like a Pontiac. Go figure! |
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01-20-2010, 11:11 AM | #131 | |
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The M3 optional 19" (forged) wheels are lighter than the 18" M3 wheels. At the very least, I think the M1 will have a forged (19"?) optional wheel. |
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01-20-2010, 11:35 AM | #132 | |
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I've been waiting a long time for an M car like this, I'm so excited by the possibilities of this car - and the possibility of another Euro Delivery - I just hope it will not be disappointing. Another point when discussing torque is to know what type of transmission it will have. If it's based on the current 135i 6sp, then it cannot handle more than 322 ft-lbs I believe. The DCT can go up to 369 if not mistaken (same as the overboost feature in the 335is). Or they could base it off some other manual tranny - for example on the E39/E60 6sp, which is rated higher. (Mine would have to be a 6sp manual). |
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